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"Coronary At The K."

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Blogger eddiehawkins said...

Apologies if this posts multiple times, my phone browser is acting up.

Re home field advantage: did you see that Fuld said that the reason for the outfield collision was that he called for the ball but Gomes couldn't hear him because it was so loud? That's pretty good evidence right there.

October 2, 2014 at 6:56 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not specific to Yost, but the idea that managers have measurable value in improving players *does* have a sabermetric basis. Chris Jaffe's book "Evaluating Baseball Managers" deserves to be much better-known than it is.

Jaffe began with the notion "What if, when a player's seasonal performance deviates from expected, we don't ascribe it to luck but to the manager? Would the results make any sense?" Comparing every player season to an database that uses performance-in-surrounding-seasons plus regression to create an "expected" performance, he then submits that hypothesis -- blame-or-credit-the-manager -- to a series of statistical tests, plus common sense, to see if they're noise or not. And it seems very clear: they're not.

The greatest managers of all time, by his results, are obvious choices -- Joe McCarthy, Tony LaRussa, Bill McKechnie, Walter Alston, John McGraw, Al Lopez, Earl Weaver, Billy Martin... -- and the worst are usually guys who got fired quickly, but the worst who lasted included old-man-version Connie Mack, Jimmie Wilson, Don Baylor, Art Fletcher, no one bizarre to suggest. And their impact, plus or minus, is at the level of gaining or losing a first-or-second-ballot Hall of Fame player.

I don't know how Yost rates by Jaffe's data, and the nature of his database is that he *can't* rate Yost's 2013 and 2014 until 2015 and 2016 have been completed. But it's logical to assume his work means something.

October 2, 2014 at 7:54 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

("Evaluating Baseball Managers" is also a very thoughtful, interesting history and mini-bio of every manager who lasted ten seasons or otherwise made an impact, and Jaffe is quick to point out reasons why not every statistical result is to be trusted. Guy's a writer, not just a math geek.)

October 2, 2014 at 7:57 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Rany, I love your posts - keep them coming as your schedule allows. I hate some of Ned's managerial decisions, but he still has "the clubhouse" - at least it appears that way to me. These guys play hard and never give up. Well, the Butler/Hosmer/Yost relationship has to be interesting for a therapist, but winning will take care of that. I have to admit that I was concerned that Ned would crack under playoff pressure (Milwaukee - The Sequel). Now I bet he feels like he is playing with house money. That statement is as scary as it is exciting.

October 2, 2014 at 10:04 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

As a Royals fan living in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex, I think you are right on with your comparison of Yost and Ron Washington. Wash was as bad a tactical manager as Yost, but his players loved playing for him and gave him a great deal of credit for their success. At the end of the Wild Card game Monday, I was struck by the length and intensity of the hug between Yost and Salvy. It's clear there is a great bond there. But damn, Yost is one dumb tactical manager.

October 2, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Rany, thanks for the link to the Grantland piece. I somehow missed it (maybe because ESPN now hates Bill Simmons for exercising his 1st Amendment rights). That was awesome! Read it while watching the Royals win game 1 tonight. Let's go Royals!

October 3, 2014 at 12:17 AM

Blogger Drew Milner said...

Dean, the wild card game was Tuesday

October 3, 2014 at 1:49 AM

Blogger Mike H. said...

Re: Home teams winning these types of playoff games

The one exception that instantly springs to mind is Game 6 of the '86 NLCS. The box score alone from that game is a roller coaster ride.

October 3, 2014 at 1:21 PM

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