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"Yosted, Part III."

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Blogger Linda said...

agree with everything you said. Yost needs to go.

September 20, 2014 at 7:47 PM

Blogger Mark LaFlamme said...

Beautifully put. Yost compounds the problems we already have. I don't see how anyone can argue that it's not so. If Yost is still there come next spring, I'm going to find something else to do with my time.

September 20, 2014 at 7:48 PM

Blogger Jazzbumpa said...

I love our passion, your analysis and the way you write; and i was eager to see your writr up of this game.

The Detroit radio announcers were astounded by Aoki's bunts. They politely called the decisions "unconventional."

Mostly, as a Tigers fan, I love it that Ned Yost is the Royals' manager. One can make a good argument that he has single-handedly cost them this season's pennant with his frequent mental blunders. God knows the Tigers have given them enough chances.

I'd love it even more if you guys had Joe Nathan.

But I'll be happy if some time during tomorrow's game I see Aaron Crow on the mound.

Cheers!
JzB

September 20, 2014 at 8:43 PM

Blogger ORoyal said...

Thank you.
The buck stops at Yost for the games and at Moore for allowing this nonsense to continue. Yost needs to be fired for his handling of Butler alone. Jurschele was not at fault for Perez's gaffe. Instead make him interim manager, he is a real professional. Not petty Neddie.

September 20, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Blogger stevo! said...

"It wasn't (Ned Yost's) first time".

Let's pray to every God there ever was, is, or will be, it's his last.

If today isn't a fireable offense, then nothing is.

September 20, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

nailed it.

September 20, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Rany for manager!

September 20, 2014 at 9:10 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

What's it going to take to get rid of that moron? It's as if he has pics of Dayton with someone else's wife or something.

September 20, 2014 at 9:15 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

When Yost was hired, I believe Buck Show alter was available. I believe Clint Hurdle was available. But no. We had to have the guy with Atlanta ties.

Gimme a break, Dayton.

September 20, 2014 at 9:18 PM

Blogger Phil Evans said...

The bunt after a leadoff double is so automatic under Ned Yost that after Escobar pulled up at second, I left the living room because I knew the bunt was coming. Regardless of whether Ned called for it or not, it's just the Royal Way under Yost.

September 20, 2014 at 9:28 PM

Blogger Mark said...

Oh Rany, bless your heart. We are going to miss you.

September 20, 2014 at 10:41 PM

Blogger twm said...

Bunting a runner over from second with no outs has to be the worst bunt possible, right? Anyone know the run expectancy for this? Runner on second with no outs versus a runner on third with one out.

September 20, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Blogger twm said...

I looked it up and I am wrong: run expectancy for a runner on second and no outs is .637; for a runner on third and one out it is .675. Marginal gain, but certainly not the loss of run expectancy I had anticipated.

September 20, 2014 at 10:59 PM

Blogger Gimp4royals said...

Nathan is noticeably worse vs lefties. Maybe yost thought he was going to roll on the pitchers card!

September 21, 2014 at 5:57 AM

Blogger Kansas City said...

Yost is a dumb tactical manager, but he is probably getting more criticism than he deserves. Aoki bunted on his own (and he generally is a dumb player). I don't know how a manager stops that. On Ibanez, Yost did not have a good choice. I realize he has the lowest BA in the league and the move can be criticized on that basis. However, it did not feel like a bad move at the time (God, I'm sounding like Yost). He also "looked" okay at the plate. I guess the ground ball was pretty soft, but with their first baseman, it would not have needed to be too far one side or the other for it to get through.

September 21, 2014 at 7:17 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

Dumb question from a Phillies fan who mostly follows the Royals via this blog (1980 World Series matchup!): doesn't Gordon normally bat 3rd and Willingham cleanup? Or at least, doesn't Willingham normally bat behind Gordon? I understand why Willingham is in the lineup, and I know batting order tends to only matter at the margins, but all else being equal, wouldn't you want to give Gordon an extra opportunity to bat at those margins--for example, runners on second and third and two out in the ninth? Just wondering.

September 21, 2014 at 7:21 AM

Blogger twm said...

Yost likes to maintain lefty/righty balance, so Aoki followed by Gordon would be a big no-no for him.

September 21, 2014 at 8:04 AM

Blogger royalsfan67 said...

I was ranting all the exact same points on FB yesterday Rany. The only thing I will add is the #3 hitter should be the best hitter in your lineup. Meaning you should never have to pinch hit for him. The fact you would hit for him with a player hitting .168 who is 42 years old just shows he put out a lineup a third grader would know was inferior from the beginning of the game.
And to be bunting a hot hitter so this inferior player could try and get him in is just asinine.

September 21, 2014 at 8:25 AM

Blogger royalsfan67 said...

I was ranting all the exact same points on FB yesterday Rany. The only thing I will add is the #3 hitter should be the best hitter in your lineup. Meaning you should never have to pinch hit for him. The fact you would hit for him with a player hitting .168 who is 42 years old just shows he put out a lineup a third grader would know was inferior from the beginning of the game.
And to be bunting a hot hitter so this inferior player could try and get him in is just asinine.

September 21, 2014 at 8:36 AM

Blogger John said...

Great comments--I agree wholeheartedly with all of them.

4 additional points:

1. Yost's petty vendettas, doubtless a product of insecurity, have already cost us an excellent hitting coach (K Seitzer). This year, in response to the best Royal hitter of the past decade having an off year (Butler), Yost has made a tough situation worse by publicly criticizing him and in general treating him disrespectfully. Butler deserved better.

2. Butler would have been a better choice than Ibanez, but I wonder if Cain would have been an even better one.

3. The Royals have 3 bullets in their revolver: pitching, defense, speed. With Dyson on 2nd and Escobar on first, I think you gotta use bullet #3 and go for the double steal. If you are going down, go down fighting.

4. Like his terrible plate discipline, Salvy's bonehead mistake is solely his responsibility. However, the overuse of Salvy this season, whereby Moore and Yost are visibly destroying one of the team's most valuable assets in order to try and save their jobs, is horrifying. (Very reminiscent of the Cubs abuse of Jody Davis in the 80s) For that alone, Yost and perhaps Moore should go.

5. I love Alex Gordon, but he didn't exactly come through yesterday, did he? Offensively, he is analogous to a #2/3 starting pitcher--a really nice piece to have, but if you rely on him as your #1 he will tend to disappoint. The various woes of Salvy, Hosmer, Moustakas and Butler at the plate have left the offense much too dependent on him.

September 21, 2014 at 9:09 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

Well put. The Royals cheated their way to a World Series Championship. The baseball gods will let the Royals win another one right after the Black Sox.

September 21, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Blogger twm said...

That would have been 2006.

September 21, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

2005 but still. The only curse the Royals have is Yost as manager

September 21, 2014 at 2:31 PM

Blogger Drew Milner said...

Yost did the alternate lefty/right batting order at the beginning of the season, but not actually any longer.

September 21, 2014 at 4:35 PM

Blogger Drew Milner said...

How is that Brian? Are you claiming they paid Denkinger to blow the call?

September 21, 2014 at 4:39 PM

Blogger KHAZAD said...

I'm not sure that Aoki was being truthful about bunting on his own, but even if he was, WHERE DO YOU THINK HE LEARNED IT!? I have watched (and so has Aoki) Ned routinely bunt after a leadoff double in the first anytime he has a guy up that that can bunt - and that is almost all the time, because Ned constructs his lineup so that one of his bunters hits in the #2 spot. If you could bet on it happening I could probably have retired this year.

Aoki apparently said that the Royals play for one run instead of two or three, and he is correct. He has watched his manager all year, and he has learned.

The Ibanez decision was Ned Yost's entire career in a nutshell. Needing a hit in the most important situation in his entire managerial career, he hand picked the least likely person to do that. If we had let the Tiger's manager pick the hitter, he probably would have made the same choice, the difference being that he would be TRYING to give us the highest odds of failing.

September 21, 2014 at 11:24 PM

Blogger KHAZAD said...

Bryan P - you seem a little bitter, and you definitely are ignorant about the series. Denkinger missed the call, but it was only the second worst call in the game, (the worst was in the 4th, and cost the Royals a run)and likely didn't change the outcome.

Even if both of the calls had gone the Cardinal's way, the worst case scenario is that the Royals tie the game and have the winning run on third with two out and Willie Wilson up. Even if Willie fails to win it there, the odds would be heavily in the Royals favor, as the 1 run the Cardinals scored in game 6 was the only time they even threatened to score a run in the last 26 innings of the series. They had a chance to put it away in the seventh game, and did nothing.

They lost because they couldn't hit. They choked because they had no heart.

September 21, 2014 at 11:36 PM

Blogger John said...

"I looked it up and I am wrong: run expectancy for a runner on second and no outs is .637; for a runner on third and one out it is .675. Marginal gain, but certainly not the loss of run expectancy I had anticipated."

Bunting the runner over in that case increases your chance of scoring one run. It reduces your chance of scoring more than one run. And as Rany pointed out, it was the wrong move because the player coming up next in the order wasn't well-suited to take advantage of moving the runner from second to third.

September 22, 2014 at 12:51 AM

Blogger twm said...

Chicago won in 2005, winning right after them would have been 2006.

September 22, 2014 at 4:40 AM

Blogger twm said...

I get that it reduces the chance of scoring more than one run, but I also was thinking that it reduced the chance of scoring one run

September 22, 2014 at 4:45 AM

Blogger twm said...

I guess I was thinking that three chances to score a runner from second were better odds than two chances to score a runner from third.

September 22, 2014 at 4:48 AM

Blogger Charles Winters said...

I saw a bad run expectancy analysis up here.

Here is a way to see it:
http://www.tangotiger.net/re24.html

From this I get 2nd and no out run expectancy of about 1.1; with a runner on 3rd and one out I get about 0.9.

The percentage chance of scoring a run goes up VERY slightly. But the overall run expectation goes down. It's an awful move.

September 22, 2014 at 9:49 AM

Blogger Steve N said...

Rany, I'm pretty sure that you can play first base as well as Billy Butler.

September 22, 2014 at 10:21 AM

Blogger John said...

The chance of getting one run goes up because at third with one out, a run can score on a hit, an error, a long fly ball, a passed ball or wild pitch, or a ground ball to the right side.

At second with no out, you need a hit or an error.

There are enough sac flies, ground balls to the right, passed balls and wild pitches to increase the odds of scoring once. But overall, it's a terrible move unless it's a sudden-death situation and the next two batters are contact hitters. This wasn't sudden death and the next hitter was a strikeout-meister. Bad move.

September 22, 2014 at 10:38 AM

Blogger KHAZAD said...

TWM- Yes, a successful sacrifice bunt with the runner on second and no one out increases your odds of scoring one run by about 5.8%. That is of course,if every sacrifice attempt works. But it also decreases the number of runs you will score by 15.5%.

Is it something you might try in an end game situation when it is the tying or winning run? I could see it there. But doing it in the first inning of a game makes absolutely no sense. Not only do decrease the number of runs you score, but in the first inning you also give a pitcher who hasn't recorded an out yet his first one for free.

September 22, 2014 at 11:16 PM

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