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"Royals Today: 5/9/13."

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Blogger Kansas City said...

Question. Wouldn't the Royals be better off batting Gordon 1 and Bulter 2? Why not put your two best hitters 1 adn 2? There may be a good reason not to do this (not traditional baseball thinking), but I can't think what it is.

May 9, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Blogger Kansas City said...

Here is a good link to optimal batting order. Applied to the Royals, it suggests Cain 1, Gordon 2, and Bulter 4.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by

May 9, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Blogger David W. Lowe said...

Wrong Rany, Ned COULD do better than tonight's lineup:

1. Escobar (R)
2. Hosmer (L)
3. Butler (R)
4. Gordon (L)
5. Cain (R)
6. Moustakas (L)
7. Perez (R)
8. Dyson (L) or Lough (L)
9. Johnson (R)

If the point is to protect Butler, then why not protect him with Alex Gordon, the team's best hitter so far and team leader in HRs?

May 9, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Blogger Brandan said...

Actually, there are still right handers batting back to back in your "better" lineup at 9 and 1. Because its an uneven number and it starts over again, you will never be able to have a completely left-right lineup, barring switch-hitter craziness.

May 9, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Blogger Echo Vamper said...

Looking for an example that argues for Gio getting another shot. Closest I found is Todd Walker. Sent down twice and tore up the PCL each time. Twins were probably glad they gave him another shot at 25. He had a nice season and went on to have a decent career. Johnny should already be in the lineup!

May 9, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Why not Cain leading off? I think Ned is totally WAY too worried about the L-R alternating lineup. The last I checked (prior to the Baltimore series), most of our lefty batters were holding their own against LHP. In fact, Gordo was murdering southpaws. Granted, these are small sample sizes, but I'm hoping that GMDM and Ned become aware that "reverse platoons" are not that uncommon...

May 9, 2013 at 9:40 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

A quick re-check. Moose is the only lefty batter that has a "traditional" platoon split. I didn't look at Getz because I figured he likely doesn't hit either LHP or RHP (insert snarky comment here). I am concerned - as Rany mentioned - that Gordo has caught the "anti-OBP disease". FIVE walks against 29 Ks - yikes!

May 9, 2013 at 9:59 PM

Blogger Echo Vamper said...

Is there really any research that supports a rigid R-L-R-L lineups per se? Now using splits or platoons based on the tendencies you've observed in your roster, that I can see ... but mostly in the context of other batting order optimization research (various studies espoused by sabremetricians going back to Markov, Earnshaw Cook etc.

May 10, 2013 at 3:40 AM

Blogger sedated ape said...

I would just as soon Tejada get the at bats than Johnson.

May 10, 2013 at 5:48 AM

Blogger Deep Dixie Blue said...

Couple of thoughts...
Its always seemed backwards to me to construct your lineup for the end of the game. I'd rather stack the lineup against the starting pitcher in the hopes of getting 1)early lead, 2) starter out of the game earlier.

Is it time to drop back to an 11 man pitching staff? With the improved rotation there doesn't seem to be enough innings for Chen, Gutierrez, and the pitcher that should be occupying Hochevar's spot. Seems to be a lot of redundancy there. Drop one reliever and bring up David Lough to platoon with Frenchy. Leave Dyson where he's at as the pinch runner deluxe.

May 10, 2013 at 8:37 AM

Blogger KA said...

Rany-

I know the value of a hitting coach is debatable at best, but at what point can we give an evaluation of the Seitzer sacking? Both average and power numbers are down. The new philosophy seems quite little league.

May 10, 2013 at 8:43 AM

Blogger Robert Holtgraves said...

I would prefer
1. Cain
2. Hosmer
3. Butler
4. Gordon
5. Perez
6. Moose
7. Francoeur
8. 2B
9. Escobar

Flip Flop Perez and Francoeur when facing a lefty.

May 10, 2013 at 9:08 AM

Blogger Jayboid said...

I'm starting to think Yost is Bob "booney da looney" Boone Lite.

May 10, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Blogger MoCrash said...

1. Cain
2. Hosmer
3. Gordon
4. Butler
5. Moustakas
6. Perez
7. Tejeda
8. Francouer/Escobar
9. Escobar/Dyson

Alternating L/R is overrated, and not worth putting hitters in positions in which they are less-efficient. It only matters in forcing late-game RP match-ups, and that seldom occurs more than once every two series. Compared to productivity the rest of the time, this isn't worth it.

Because his offensive production is so far superior to the others, Tejeda should be put at 2B until he proves he can't play the position. Given the Getz and Johnson are no better than average defensive 2B, sacrificing that much offense for a glove isn't justified.

I prefer Cain/Hosmer because Cain has a higher OBP and slightly more speed and it may force Hosmer to pull the ball more often, which could increase his power production. I prefer Gordon at No. 3 because he's more likely to score from 1B on a double and less likely to hit into a DP than Butler.

May 10, 2013 at 11:18 AM

Blogger Roy in Omaha said...

I agree wholeheartedly about Gio but I disagree that he has had his chances. In 2011 he was called up, played hurt, ended the season on the DL, and had to have surgery right after the season ended. He didn't tell anybody he was hurt and played that way, something he can be forgiven for since he got to see, first-hand, how the Royals treated other prospects that they didn't/don't want to make it (the Royals have a propensity for looking like they feel just that way) like Kila Ka'aihue. I'd have kept my yap shut, too.

Last season, his "opportunity" consisted of never once being in the lineup more than 8 games in a row and in no more than 4 after that one stretch.

What kind of message are you sending a young prospect when they don't even know if they are going to be in the lineup every day? A real opportunity is a chance to play every day, for, like 2-3 months, not a week or so and then, lord knows when or how much, after that.

I submit that there is no way the Royals do or don't know what they have in Johnny Giavotella. He's never been given any real chance to show them.

And, as you say, it is impossible for him to be any worse than Chris Getz, who is not a major league hitter, period. Even if Getz was a Gold Glover I would not want him in our lineup with all it's other deficiencies. Chris Getz is nobody, doing nothing, going nowhere.

May 10, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Blogger MoCrash said...

Giavotella will get another chance at the MLB level, but his performance in 376 PA isn't encouraging -- nor is it in 762 innings at 2B. He has the look of a AAAA player, but deserves another look at some time.

The issue to me is who is best equipped to help the Royals win now. Of the available candidates, can anybody make a compelling case that the Royals have a better 2B option than Tejeda? Yes, he's not the Miggy of 10 years ago (if he was, he wouldn't be in KC on a $1.1m contract), but he's a professional who has been putting together excellent at-bats. In his limited (11 innings) time at 2B this season, his range factor is substantially better than that of Getz or Johnson -- which isn't as important as it would be for a team that didn't have good range at 1B and SS to narrow the needed coverage area.

May 10, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Blogger Roy in Omaha said...

Major league career range factors:

Getz: 4.79
Tejeda: 4.62
Gio: 4.13
Johnson: 4.06

Only Getz and Tejada's numbers are even average here. Fielding is NOT the Royals problem at 2B, offense is.

Further, of Gio's 376 plate appearances, as I already said above, 187 of them in 2011 came when he was so injured he required post season surgery.

And, in 2011, he was never in the lineup more than 8 games in a row in his entire big league stint and then only for as many as 4 games in a row after that.

Yeah, what a great opportunity he's been given. "AAAA player" is one of the most ridiculous baseball cliches there is. If Johnny Giavotella's minor league stats are that of a "AAAA player" then what are Chris Getz's because Gio's minor league career makes Getz's look pathetic.

They aren't even on the same planet together. Yet Getz is in the big leagues and Gio isn't. As Rany said in a roundabout way, there is something rotten in Denmark here

May 11, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Blogger Douglas said...


So far, Shields has been everything the Royals could have expected, and more. I happily admit that he’s been better than I expected to this point – a 2.52 ERA (and no unearned runs) is exceptional. If he stays healthy, averages over 7 innings a start, and maintains a 2.52 ERA through the end of 2014, I will concede that it was a price worth paying. But can we not render judgment on a trade after seven starts?
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You have mentioned that you expect 3.80 ERA with 200IP on Shields and would probably say it is fair trade if he marks 3.15ERA at the end of the season. Considering Brewers got 3.70ERA/300IP from Greinke after paying huge package for him, it would be a huge steal if Shields marks 3.50 ERA or less.

May 11, 2013 at 6:34 PM

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May 11, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Blogger Ford said...

The correct hitters need to be in their ideal spots. Who cares about right lefty alternating. Because it sure has turned in amazing results so far. Need to average more than 2 runs a game. Side note I wish they had traded Hosmer instead of Myers. Hosmer is starting to look like a ninth inning replacement for defense, nothing more.Frenchy and Getz are nice guys but not starters in MLB.

May 11, 2013 at 9:49 PM

Blogger Check engine light said...

Hosmer, Moustakas, Francoeur.. 23 extra base hits.. 30 RBI's..

Central Division 3B, 1B, RF

Detroit 45 extra base hits.. 90 RBI's..

Cleveland 34 extra base hits.. 52 RBI's..

Minnesota 26 extra base hits.. 46 RBI's..

Chicago. 31 extra base hits.. 40 RBI's..


Mr. Glass.. you got ridda the greeters so we could get some arms.. howabout a 10% reduction in cashiers so we can get some power bats?

May 11, 2013 at 10:13 PM

Blogger MoCrash said...

Hey Douglas, I hope you're not suggesting that I'm claiming that Getz belongs in the major leagues (at least at no higher than a back-up utility player), because I'm not. What I'm saying is that Giavatella isn't the best option at the moment and his AAA numbers previously had not translated to major league production (baseball history is rife with hot prospects that couldn't make that jump). I wouldn't mind bringing him up -- although I'm doubtful about his major league potential -- but not as a starter.

May 12, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Blogger MoCrash said...

Oops, I was addressing Roy.

May 12, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Blogger MoCrash said...

Meanwhile, Nitwit Ned continues to frustrate. Escobar doesn't produce in the lead-off spot (who'd-a thunk it?), so he puts in another sub-.300 (against RHP, for a LH platoon guy!) batter in the spot and moves the non-producting lead-off hitter into the No. 2 hole so he can bunt a runner from 2nd to 3rd base for one run in the 1st inning -- hence ruining a real chance at putting up a crooked number by giving away an out unnecessarily. It's as if all the knowledge that baseball research has produced in the past 30 years has yet to penetrate Yost's thick skull. Sheesh! No wonder Milwaukee fired him with 12 games left in a pennant drive.

May 12, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

How bout the ridiculous (and arrogant) Jeff Zimmerman predicting both Shields and Santana are on the verge of major arm injuries.

What an incompetent clown.

May 12, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Mocrash, gimme a break already. How many times are you going to beat that DEAD horse. EVERYBODY IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL does it that way. You don't need to let everyone know how clever you are by pointing out when a dude shouldn't bunt b/c it kills rallies.

Everyone knows the saberfag stats on that one already and Ned CERTAINLY isn't the only manager to do it

THEY ALL DO IT.

May 12, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

I'm very tired of reading that Moose is a "gold glove caliber 3B"

He is NOT.

He was below avg his ENTIRE minor league career, and had a decent rookie season w/ the glove. Nowhere near GG tho...

Now, he is regressing to his talent level which is VERY below avg. every time a ball is hit to him, I expect it to either go thru his legs, or be flung wildly out of reach of Hoser at 1st.

At this point, I'm not convinced he will ever be of any value at all. Almost assuredly he will never have an OBP over .310 and most likely MUCH lower, and he can't field worth shit. Not a good combo.

May 13, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Blogger MoCrash said...

@Ben: Your assertion that "everybody in baseball" bunts with a runner on first or second base and no outs in the first inning is absolutely, undeniably false. Maybe you should go look at some box scores/PBP details before making such a patently absurd contention. (It took a look only one game deep Sunday to disprove that: Baltimore got singles from its first two batters, hit into a DP then Davis smashed a two-run HR. No bunt.)

May 13, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Cain leading off...finally...

May 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM

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May 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Blogger Ford said...

How many pitchers will hit more home runs than Hosmer this year?

May 14, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Blogger Nikoli Maximus said...

Rany's posts can be summed up like this:
1. Bench Getz, play Giavotella
2. Some version of how players over thirty are going to screw your team
3. The trade value of Royals farm prospects > MLB players virtually every time


May 15, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

I don't know if Rany reads these comments or not, but maybe I could get some responses from the peanut gallery.

At what point should we start shopping James and Santana? I would think we could get quite a lot back for either guy.

May 25, 2013 at 6:05 PM

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