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Blogger Unknown said...

I completely agree. The way they have responded to you, the way Hillman refuses to even acknowledge that the 132 pitches MIGHT be the cause of the dead arm, this all makes me highly concerned. This is the same as when they banned Fescoe and Moss after the press conference issue, THEY REFUSE TO SEE THEMSELVES AS THE CAUSE OF ANY OF THEIR PROBLEMS. I have been a season ticket holder for 6 years now. I have seen over 500 losses, and I think I may have had enough. If they are doing things correctly, and the results don't follow, that is one thing. But instead of analyzing and looking at the numbers and studies, they simply want to blindly attack those who oppose them. Thsi organization is still a joke, and I am very close to joining Rob Neyer in my feelings.

July 2, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Blogger blairjjohnson said...

Unbelievable. I'd really like to know more about the blacklisting process. What if you purchase a ticket? Are the takers going to recognize your mug? Fantastic piece, as always

July 2, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Blogger -al said...

At what point do Moore, Hillman, Swartz et. al become legally liable? You've done a pretty good job of laying out a pattern of negligence here, I'm thinking a good attorney could run with that.

July 2, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Blogger devil_fingers said...

This sucks, Rany. As if there wasn't enough irony in Baseball Prospetus having an event at the K, the home of perhaps the least-sabermetrically aware front office in the leagues.

Don't worry, this is going to backfire in a big way.
I'm guessing all heck's gonna break loose on the intertubez over the next few hours... I wonder if "someone" over at ESPN.com will say something.

I'm just sorry that you had to hurt the organization like this. After all, Dayton Moore's doing a heckuva job.

July 2, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Un-Frickin'-Believeable!!! I have LOVED the Royals from the time of their inception and am definitely a VERY loyal fan. Now I read that they are this narrow-minded and guarded about the inner-workings of the Organization. WTF?

Serious question... is it even legal for them to ban you from purchasing a ticket?

Ya know... when someone or some team gets THIS sensitive to a criticism... it really does make me wonder what else are they hiding?

And one more thought... I am bothered that many of the leaders in this Organization and even Clubhouse are "so-called" Christians or "Bible-Bashers". I was raised in a home by a Christian Minister and I KNOW how people are SUPPOSED to act... you know... NOT lying (see Trey about Soria)... and you know... turning the other cheek. lol I mean... seriously... GROW UP!!!

And no... I don't believe that being a Christian is meant to take away your competitive spirit either. Get on the field and TRY TO WIN!!! Can anyone... ANYONE... tell me what it means that the Royals are not under pressure to win as many games as possible as has been reported a couple of places? Aren't you ALWAYS supposed to do that?

Anyway, I am rambling... I hope you don't give up your fandom or your writing, Rany. I'm not going to!

Go Royals!!! C-ya, AusSteveW

July 2, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blacklisting? That's classless. And with all the badness that's surrounded the Royals organization, one thing that they always still had going for them was that they were considered to have class.

I don't know exactly under whose authority you were blacklisted, but I sure hope that someone higher up very publicly rescinds it.

July 2, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rany,
When you hear the truth, sometimes it hurts. Sometimes you don't want it up in your face. I believe that is the reason that you have been banned, you told them some truth that they didn't want to hear because Swartz is a good old boy. It isn't right to shut out someone just because they speak their mind, whatever happened to free speech. Maybe they just don't want everyone else to know what they are finally starting to think. Thank you for having the GUTS to speak your mind, cause someone has too. I really think GMDM and Trey Hillman can lead this team to greatness, but it will be very difficult if they can't keep their players, especially the good ones (i.e. Mike Aviles and Coco Crisp) on the field. I know you won't give up on this team, I do wish the team wouldn't just kick you out of their circle. One day there will be a new flag over the K, I just hope it is in my life time.

July 2, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Anonymous Neifi Perez said...

Hey, it's cool, I'm banned too.

July 2, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Blogger ASMR Review said...

What exactly do you mean by "banned"? You don't get media credentialing anymore? You can't purchase large ticket sales for BPro? Your face is at the ticket office with a sign that says "DO NOT SELL TICKETS TO THIS MAN!"????

July 2, 2009 at 12:53 PM

Blogger Gen said...

Rany,

This is extremly upsetting to me. I'm fully in support of you. I've been a Royals fan all my life, but this lack of acceptance of freedom of speech by the Royals offends me as a person and citizen of this country. It's not about whether Nick Swartz should be fired or not. At this point, I could care less, because fundamental rights of the media come first, before fandom. In result, it pains me to say this but I am no longer a fan of the Royals until they issue you a public apology. As such, I will no longer provide any support to the Royals - whether it be monetary or emotionally.

Their actions fundamnetally offend my sense of right and wrong, and I will not sacrifice that for anyone, even the franchise that I have loved for so long.

July 2, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rany
I've been a Royals fan as long as you've been alive but I think I've finally reached my limit. Not only is this team NOT improving in any department but the future looks just as bleak as it did in 2005.

Guillen is making 12m/yr & giving us basically the same numbers Emil Brown did (for 5% of the price); the manager has no business in the major leagues; their shortstop doesn't find out about his injury until he gets a 2nd opinion, etc., etc.. and now they are banning bloggers for telling the truth!

Reminds me of the Iranian government.

I'm tired of being embarrassed. I think it's time for me to cut the cord with the Royals. Enough,

S.Wilson, Tulsa, OK.

July 2, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regrettably, you keep shooting and missing. Possibly if your blog uncovered the real culprits perhaps the result would be stunned silence instead of a ban. You have yet to explain how you hold a sloppily fat ankle wrapper accountable fo Royals injuries. Were you watching the night Bob Boone over extended Pitsley? Have you looked into Boone's in season conditioning program, or lack of one? Were you tuned in the night Chad Durbin was done in the 6th and pitched deep into the 8th a game after he threw 120+, never to pitch for the Royals again, etc. etc. What those sorts of real causes have to do with Nick Swartz I'd be interested to read.

July 2, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Blogger rdbrown27 said...

This is outrageous. Does anyone have an e-mail address for Dayton Moore? I don't care if he won't read it I need to write a screed.

July 2, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow....simply amazing. For a team this bad to have this kind of reaction to a fan/media member is astonishing in it's misplaced arrogance.

July 2, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Blogger devil_fingers said...

@rdbrown27:

Sadly for you, as the last few years have taught us, it is highly unlikely that Dayton Moore even has a computer.

July 2, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Anonymous Mark LaFlamme said...

You explored an issue that's compltely worth exploring and raised valid points few others had thought of. Doing your job and doing it well, in other words. It's disappointing to see this side of the Royals organization.
Keep up the fine work, dude.

July 2, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Anonymous Stacy said...

Keep after them Rany. Somebody has to,if they keep this up they are going to ruin The Epic's arm too.

July 2, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's one thing to cheer for a team that loses year after year after year.

It's another to cheer for a team that blacklists/bans a blogger for writing a particularly insightful piece on the team.

I can do the former (and have for year); I'm not sure I can continue to the latter. Completely unconscienciable behavior.

July 2, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Blogger AJ said...

Wow.

Consider today the day I've officially given up on Dayton Moore.

July 2, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Anonymous @teedubya said...

The Royals are a DISGRACE in nearly every facet of their organization.

I have been a fan since 1979 at age 6... and this team always hires shitty managers, their trainers suck, they overpay mediocre talent and let great talent walk.

Seriously, I went to 3 games this year... and WON'T be back.

They are a joke, year in - year out.

They should have been contracted along with the Expos.

Eff you, David Glass.
Eff you, Trey Hillman.
Eff you, Dayton Moore.
Eff you, Nick Swartz.
Eff you, Dr. Steven Joyce.
Eff you, Herk Robinson.
Eff you, David Glass, again.
Eff you, Dan Glass.
Eff you, any one else who sucks ass in the Royals organization.

Man, I miss E. Kauffman. A man with integrity and vision.

Eff this team.

July 2, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Blogger Jeff said...

Total number of days players spent on the DL from 2002 to 2008

Kansas City - 6942 days
Houston - 3394 days

Seventh worse team during that time frame. They can admit and address other needs, but not this one.

Rany -- Let me know if you need any DL information wydiyd at hotmail dot com

July 2, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Hey Rany, I must say its unfortuneate to see you banned.

However I was inspired by your last post to go ahead and do a general comparison of the Royals, kind of a before and After picture of their injuries here: http://www.royalsreview.com/2009/7/2/935157/dr-nick-swartz-or-how-i-learned

Suffice to say, there is a HUGE change from a team that was in position to win 84 games and with some luck challenege the divison, to a team that even with some help from their injured players will be lucky to break 75 wins.

July 2, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Anonymous DornCounty said...

Thanks for bringing up what others have been saying off the record for years. Too bad someone in the Royals org has too much time on their hands. What does "banned" mean anyway? I hope you keep blogging and I hope this will only make you more passionate and post about other "off the record" things.

July 2, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Blogger Jim M said...

Rany,

I don't have time to go thru all the comments--but it looks like I agree with ~all of them. this is very sad for me--I don't know why exactly since I grew up in Montana, but I have always been a Royals fan (you have to like somebody and when you are in MT, you can pick whoever you want I guess). I suppose that I always will be, but if I could stop myself today, I would. For them to respond so emotionally shows that they have no alternative basis but fear... I could go on... but alas, what good would it do. My sympathy toward you--I think that you provide a service to the fans and the Royals and I think that I have become a much more (emotionally at least) invlolved fan since I found you and Rob's blog so many years ago...

Once again... SAD.

July 2, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Blogger ASMR Review said...

" In the long run, when there are stories like Coco Crisp’s year after year after 19 freaking years –"

19 years? Heck, for all we know Dennis Leonard and Steve Busby had manageable injuries that with proper care, could have pitched longer. Maybe Sabes puts together a HOF career rather than sit on the DL for so long. We were successful back in those days, but maybe it was in spite of Dr. Joyce, rather than because of him.

July 2, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Anonymous Chris said...

After the crap they pulled w/ leaving Meche in yesterday I didn't believe it could get worse (how many times have I said that?) but this takes the cake. Talk about thin skinned! Of course, if you had been a national reporter there'd been no talk of a banning. Of course, no national reporter has a reason to come to KC cause AS USUAL we are irrelevant to baseball still.

Keep the faith, Rany! You're the best.

July 2, 2009 at 2:55 PM

Anonymous Randy Umstead said...

Rany,

I have been a Royals fan since before I could hardly walk. I tried to mimic Dennis Leonard's windup before I could walk, and needless to say would always fall over. I have endured one bumbling player, manager, and GM after another. I have written emails to baseball operations before, and at least Allard Baird would answer. He even CALLED little old me, a college student at the time, to speak with what he thought were good observations on my part.

I have tolerated Trey Hillman, even though I saw him slowly transforming into Tony Muser. I held optimism for Dayton Moore. Those days are over. When an organization not only squashes journalism, but attacks someone who has clearly been a loyal fan through thick and thin, it is an attack on EVERYONE one of us. As long as you are banned, the Royals will not receive another dollar from me, either through ticket sales, merchandise sales, or internet revenue. I will follow them to see if there are any consequences for their action. I'm even willing to hear their side of the story. But this is the absolute final straw for me, another lifelong fan.

I can tolerate stupidity on the field and in the front office. But if you're going to suck, at least suck in a professional manner :-)

Randy Umstead

July 2, 2009 at 2:58 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I live in Lincoln NE. I'm going to the K sometime in August. Should I come see the M's sweep the Royals, the A's sweep to Royals or the Twins sweep the Royals? I'm thinking the A's sweep the Royals.

July 2, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Blogger Rany said...

I'm also going to add what I've written below to the main text for clarification:

Just to be clear here, since I think everyone's taking my words a little too literally: I don't think I've been "banned" in the sense that they're going to have security guards outside the stadium making sure that I don't buy a ticket. It does mean that the Royals have cut off any access I may have from the team for my radio show, and - this is critical - have intimated that any other radio show which has me on as a guest faces the same penalty.

I see this as the equivalent of having my media credentials taken away, except of course that I don't have media credentials, and the Royals have made it clear they don't give media credentials to bloggers.

July 2, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Anonymous Andrew said...

Rany,
I'm glad someone like you finally had the guts to speak up and make the Royals take notice. Admittedly I don't know anything about athletic training or athletic injuries, but that is just a glimpse into what is wrong with this organization. Nobody affiliated with the Royals ever wants to admit that there is anything wrong with any aspect of the team. Stay strong Rany! Maybe if there were more people like you in the Kansas City media, the Royals wouldn't accept mediocrity year after year.

July 2, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Blogger royalfan said...

Wow, this is quite surprising. My first thought is if they are this upset over the previous post to ban you then there is obviously some truth to it that they don't wish to have to publicly confront. This is a really sad development in my view.

July 2, 2009 at 3:19 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now we're stuck with Swartz for another 15 years. The Royals will never terminate him now, since it was suggested by the banned Rany.

July 2, 2009 at 3:36 PM

Anonymous JPM said...

I suppose if calling out publicly a member of the medical community appropriate and standard protocal for a member of the medical communtiy, what you did is just fine; however, as a someone who thinks that such comments go against every personal view I have developed in my life, your post was irresponsible and lacking in good, personal judgment.

July 2, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Badge of honor.

July 2, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait... Did I miss it? Who and how was this communicated??? Toby cook call 810? Royals press release??? Angry email?

July 2, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Blogger Matt said...

To me it doesn't matter if they banned you from eating dip n' dots at Royals games or from urinating between the hours of 9am and 5pm. It's a petty, ridiculous, and shameful action taken by a franchise that has a surprisingly thin-skin (funny, you wouldn't know it by how long and how often the rest of MLB has laughed at them over the past decade). No team is ever completely above criticism but at least a winner sometimes gets the benefit of the doubt. I assume most Royals fans can't remember what a winner even looks like. I've contacted the team directly to express my disappointment and embarrassment at their childish actions.

July 2, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have banned the Royals from my TV whenever TPJ is in the line-up.

July 2, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Anonymous JPG said...

JPM, not sure why Rany can't question someone in the medical field? Doctors like anyone are subject to having their actions questioned. I don't know if Nick Schwartz is the problem, but if the Royals have never thought to look into it, have an outsider evaluate their training staff, then their is no harm in a blogger or media member questioning him. Trainer for a professional sports team is a high profile position, if he doesn't have the stomach for being questioned, he's in the wrong line of work. The number of players that have had season ending injuries for the Royals this year just begs for being questioned. I'm not a lifelong Royals fan, so I'm not sure how bad its been historically, but this year seems like they've mismanaged every guys health they possibly could have.

Long-winded post to make one point, no one is above being questioned, not even doctors.

July 2, 2009 at 4:02 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rany, your "clarification" does not change the fact that this was a classless, anti-democratic act by the Royals organization.

July 2, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Anonymous Bob McWilliams said...

I was totally stunned to read of the idiotic, mean-spirited, defensive to the point of near paranoia reaction of the Royals to the well-reasoned arguments you raised about the team's treatment of medical issues over the years.

I am now waiting to see if the local radio media back you up, by having you on their show and daring the Royals to cut off access to virtually all local radio. Whichever local radio talk show has you on first automatically becomes my favorite one.

July 2, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Anonymous JPM said...

JPG, Since Rany himself is in the medical field, as I said, I think his very public comments go against what is right. I think it's bad judgment, I think it's improper, and I think it's similar to another dermatologist or doctor publicly criticizing Rany's professional methods and practices.

I understand he is trying to balance his true profession with his other interests, but in this case, I think Rany erred in judgment. It is fine to question (and it needs to be done) a doctor's, or in this case trainer's practices, but I don't think it's ok to do it publicly.

July 2, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Blogger rdbrown27 said...

haha.. ya.. PLEASE think of the poor DOCTORS! Who will think of the doctors????

Give me a break. I am quite certain doctors make enough money to be publicly questioned and criticized, even by each other. That is pure idiocy to demand deference just because... what ? What are you afraid of? This isn't a matter of national security. Get over yourself.

July 2, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Blogger rdbrown27 said...

Oh and by the way.. in this specific case you are even more wrong. Royals fans pay both the trainer and doctor's salaries for the work they do for the Royals. Therefore any Royals fan has every right to publicly question, criticize, mock, applaud, celebrate, etc. etc. etc. them for that work.

July 2, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Anonymous JPM said...

rdbrown...get over yourself. It was a legitimate point to make. I am sure Rany wouldn't be please to be called out publicly by another doctor who questioned his practices.

He is completely entitled to the opinion, but I disagree with him using this forum to make it.

"Royals fans pay both the trainer and doctor's salaries for the work they do for the Royals."

And this comment is just laughable. I bet you are the guy that screams and yells at high school coaches. Heck, we pay their salary, too, so I am entitled! Nonsense!

July 2, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Blogger rdbrown27 said...

He might not be pleased but that in no way makes it some kind of ethical breach.

And no, I can actually see the difference quite clearly between a high school and a professional sports team.

This doctor willingly put himself up to public scrutiny by accepting the position with a major league baseball team. Period.

July 2, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Anonymous JPM said...

First, it's the trainer, not the doctor.

Second, saying he puts himself out there because he accepted a position with a major league team is completely different than declaring "Royals fans pay both the trainer and doctor's salaries...."

July 2, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Blogger rdbrown27 said...

This is a tired argument but I'll just say that it absolutely is true that the fans pay their salary. Or are you going to argue that without fan interest any professional sport would even exist let alone generate the revenue that is used for their paychecks?

July 2, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

I am outraged by this. It is one thing to blacklist an author who plublishes/post an unfounded or distasteful/inappropriate article. But to blacklist a person that has used evidence in a well thought out manner that provides a credible argument is outrageous. It is decisions like this that provide the answer to my proverbial question "why can't the Royals provide a winner"...GIGO I suppose.

July 2, 2009 at 6:51 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, being a fucker and criticizing the team at every opportunity didn't sit well with them. I can't believe it! It's almost like continually berating one particular organization over and over wouldn't sit well with that particular organization. What a shocker!

July 2, 2009 at 7:42 PM

Blogger gbewing said...

Everyone on this blog needs to write the Royals and hold them accountable- this city has enabled them long enough-time for some accountability

July 2, 2009 at 9:23 PM

Anonymous Mr. MET said...

If you think the ROYALS Medical Staff is bad. You should look into the NY METS med Staff.

July 2, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Anonymous Chris said...

Mr. Met, I'm sure that either the Mets medical staff taught the Royals staff or vice-versa.

Now, can I complain about our hitting coach Kevin Seitzer or is THAT allowed?

July 2, 2009 at 9:42 PM

Anonymous AxDxMx said...

You can complain about Seitzer, but I don't see the point. The team clearly hasn't bought into what he is selling.

July 2, 2009 at 10:55 PM

Blogger Matt Rowland said...

What an absolute joke. Rany, I've spoken via email with you in the past; I operate the Royalboard (http://www.royalboard.com) and this has sent me over the edge. This organization is an absolute joke.

July 2, 2009 at 11:35 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

What JPM says is the textbook code of the good ol' boy network.

If something Rany said is invalid, then refute it instead of trying to put forth some BS code of "ethics" where doctors protect their bad colleagues.

July 2, 2009 at 11:56 PM

Blogger John VIril said...

Rany's comment is exactly the kind of thing that would cause a sports agent to steer his players anywhere else but Kansas City. I think that's why Royals management reacted so strongly to his post.

Rany being a doctor has lent credibility to his opinion, and it has seemed to resonate with Royal fans on the internet. Joe Posnanski has also recently blogged on the issue. Of course, these rumors aren't exactly new: the Bill James sabermetric crowd has long cited the Royals as a team that burns up young arms. Rany just cited recent examples in such a common sense way, that fans like us (and perhaps search engine-using players and agents) can clearly see the lunacy.

I mean, if you were a guy with a 10 million a year earning capacity, would you sign with a team that doesn't protect your body? I think that's public reputation that could do real damage to the Royals. Punishing the messenger, however, is a poor substitute for addressing the problem.

July 3, 2009 at 6:05 AM

Anonymous sw said...

@skeptic, wow that's insane that the Royals don't want injuries treated in the dugout to be shown on TV. It's one thing to think there is no problem, it's another to shut down any communication that may even hint that there is a problem. Who knew Dayton Moore was the head of the Kansas City thought police? I'm glad that Rany has shared his experience to get so many people to chime in with similar stories that show how Gestapo-like the Royals management really is. They are clearly too busy being paranoid to do things like assemble a team that can either a) hit or b) field, let alone both.

July 3, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

JohnnyV

"Rany being a doctor has lent credibility to his opinion,"

Let's not get carried away. Rany is a dermatologist, not a general practioner or a specialist. Now if the Royals have skin problems, you are on to something.

July 3, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

A couple words about the Royals medical staff at D&D. I can say from personal experience that they are excellent physicians, and that Dr. Joyce has incredible surgical skills. The trainer is paid by the Royals. Team doctors are typically not paid any substantial salary by the team, and they are not subject to any pressure from the team. In fact they usually pay ungodly malpractice insurance premiums for covering pro athletes. Being a team physician is seen as an advertising expense to get you more patients from the general public.

Second opinions are a standard in baseball and there is only a handful of orthopedists in the country who do almost all of the final evaluations and surgeries on most pro baseball players (Jimmy Andrews, Lewis Yocum, Frank Jobe, etc.). You'll see their names over & over again in any news story on a player surgery. The player agents usually insist that any high-dollar player go to one of these docs.

The Royals' problem really seems to be more the day to day management of nagging chronic problems. It's a conditioning and prevention issue, which falls on the training staff.

July 3, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lest we not forget Tony Pena being asked to finish a game with a broken hand.

July 4, 2009 at 9:04 PM

Blogger yy said...

It needs to be stressed again and again that this is a conversation Rany and Rob had on the old site a number of years ago.

The good blogger isn't exactly breaking new ground here, and this didn't exactly come out of the blue.

The people in the KC media who are criticizing Rany based strictly on the events of the 2009 season are the ones who ought to be banned.

July 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM

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