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"Prospect Rundown, Part 6."

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Blogger robneyer said...

I thought you must be wrong about Bluma's injury being among the 10 most significant in franchise history. After digging around a little, though, I'm not so sure. Here's my preliminary list of significant injuries: George Brett, Bo Jackson, Clint Hurdle (?), Bret Saberhagen, Jose Rosado, Dennis Leonard, Steve Busby (!), Chad Durbin (?). That's eight, but I don't recall Hurdle's injury and Durbin might have just been lousy. Anyone else want to jump in here?

March 25, 2010 at 7:02 PM

Blogger Rany said...

Jim Pittsley. Never forget Jim Pittsley.

This would be a cool (but sad) list to come up with.

March 25, 2010 at 7:03 PM

Blogger Rany said...

Incidentally, the *best* injury in team history has to be the strained hamstring (I think that's what it was) that put Jeremy Giambi on the DL in spring training back in 1999. This opened up a roster spot, which allowed the Royals to keep...Mike Sweeney, who was about to be put on waivers (and rumor was that the White Sox would have claimed him).

Yes, as many stupid decisions as the Royals have made over the years - it could have been even worse.

March 25, 2010 at 7:05 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Rosado injury still angers me to think about.

Rob - what Brett injury?

March 25, 2010 at 7:22 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

As good as Greinke is and as lucky as the Royals are to have him, what if he hadn't taken the time off? Where could he possibly be?

Of course the argument can and probably should be made that he might not have made it at all but for the time off.

Sweeney's injuries have to be on the list.

Al Cowens and one other player, might have been Frank White, were both injured by the same reliever from the White Sox back in the day. I can't remember the year, but at the time that was a huge deal.

I do like the local focus. If nothing else it shows a consistent approach and a certain direction. It is better than the hail mary approach.

Oh for what-ifs. Howard and Pujols in the same lineup in a Royals uniform. What it could have been.

March 25, 2010 at 7:28 PM

Blogger robneyer said...

Rany, I'm not going to tell you this again ... It's MIZZOU (not Missou). You should know better!

March 25, 2010 at 7:34 PM

Blogger robneyer said...

Anonymous, the pitcher you're remembering is Ed Farmer, who beaned White and Cowens in '79 and I've hated him ever since. Considering that the Royals finished three games behind the Angels, Farmer might have cost us a fourth straight division title.

March 25, 2010 at 7:38 PM

Blogger Rany said...

Fixed the Missou/Mizzou thing. Don't know why I keep doing that.

March 25, 2010 at 9:14 PM

Blogger Gaines said...

I have enjoyed the posts because I don't pay quite as much attention to what's coming up as I should. I am mainly bogged down in the Big League club. I have been paying attention to the minors for a few years, but this in depth analysis is helpful.

March 25, 2010 at 9:59 PM

Anonymous Casper said...

I always thought Appier's injury in '03 was significant, if not directly for it's impact on the team's ability to stay afloat in the race, but for it was kind of the final emotional nail in the coffin that season after all the other injuries we were grinding through. Once he showed up and then almost immediately got hurt, maybe it was just me, but it just felt like we were doomed at that point - the realization of the inevitable first showed, I guess.

March 25, 2010 at 10:24 PM

Blogger Clint/kcscoliny said...

I made this same point a few weeks ago on Royals Review and no one really took to it. Now with a more in depth argument I will have a few more backers on my side I'm sure.

Lets go Buddy Baumann

March 25, 2010 at 10:36 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about Brian McRae in the 1st round in 85?

He could be considered local, since he played football at Blue Springs in 1985.

March 25, 2010 at 10:37 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

For the significant injuries list - how about Ed Hearn? The Royals thought he was worth giving up David Cone for, but due to injuries, instead of a young catcher that we could bank on for the future, went back to Jamie Quirk, of all people.

March 25, 2010 at 11:01 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mayberry's dental issues in the postseason I believe in '77 would have to be high on the injury list. It would also make for a great post to find out what really the whole story on that was.

Thanks for all the great stuff Rany.

I didn't realize that Crow was from Topeka. I am from there many years ago, and I think you meant Washburn Rural High School. No big deal, but being a Topekan I thought I would mention it.

March 26, 2010 at 12:06 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not a household name, but Falu came from Indian Hills CC-same college as Gotay.

March 26, 2010 at 12:19 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

I wonder why Tschepikow and Lyons retired. I was looking forward to seeing them come back to Northwest Arkansas.

March 26, 2010 at 12:33 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm pretty sure the Brett injury he refered to was his hemoroids in the '80 world series.

If you want to count cancer as an injury Dick Howser should be up near the top of the list

And if you really want to stretch the meaning of "significant injury" Ewing Kauffman's death was a huge turning point for the franchise

Too early to tell, but Gordon's hip trouble last year might turn out to be important.

March 26, 2010 at 5:25 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Didn't Brett break his toe running to see Bill Buckner hit during a Cubs broadcast.

March 26, 2010 at 8:55 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is correct about Brett.
He supposedly stubbed it on the washing machine.

March 26, 2010 at 9:36 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know why local writers (Rany/Joe/Sam/groupthink) are obsessed with the idea of the Royals "overlooking Albert Pujols while he's right under their noses." I guess people have to keep wasting thousands of words on something, whether it has any rational merit or not.

You said it yourself - he was drafted in the 13th round. That means that with 30 teams drafting, he was "overlooked" at least 360 times - by EVERY Major League team, inclusively. The Royals' front office may indeed have been inept for many years, but using Pujols as an example is absolutely ludicrous.

I'll be expecting a follow-up post with some sort of pulled-it-out-of-my-arse sabremetric "proof" that the Royals knew about Pujols all the time and just ignored him.

In the words of Ozzie Guillen: "Please ... !"

March 26, 2010 at 10:38 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did Colt Griffin get hurt or did he just suck?

March 26, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Blogger Rany said...

Regarding Brian McRae - he's listed as being drafted out of a Florida high school by baseball-reference.com. I have no doubt that the Royals were more aware of him than your typical Florida high school player, but I don't know enough about his educational history to know whether to call him a "local" or not.

But he just proves my point - McRae was a guy that the Royals had more info on than most teams, and turned out to be a quality player - certainly better than most of their first-round picks over the years.

March 26, 2010 at 12:35 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The royals are trying to emulate some of things the braves did. They had a scout league in the fall that included most of the elite talent in the Kansas City area. There is some talent in the Kansas City area in the next two years. Albert Minnis, Ryan Stanek, Jason Adam, Caleb Cole, etc in 2010. Dakota Smith, Bubba Starling, Cody Kukuk, etc. in 2011. Mac N Seitz is very comparable to East Cobbs top teams.

March 26, 2010 at 1:20 PM

Anonymous DiggityDawg said...

"(We really need a good nickname for the 2003 season.)"

Suggestion - The Mirage.

March 26, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Anonymous Bubba said...

not sure it would necessitate an entire post but I would really like to know what the story is/was with Duffy? Obviously its probbaly a relatively rare occurence that a top prospect "retires" at 21 but are there any other examples of frustrated prospects "retiring" to get away from a particular organization that is frustrating them and then resurfacing with another team down the line? I understand we still have his rights as a baseball player but if he stays away long enough would the Royals waive him and let him go play for another organization? What is the story here? Is there any way he comes back or is possibly traded to another club (if he is, indeed, frustrated with the Royals)?

March 26, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Anonymous Paul P said...

I think the reason people still look at that Albert Pujols thing is because he is the best right handed hitter since Gehrig. And he went to high school in Kansas City. Sure the Angels and Blue Jays passed on him, but Al isn't from LA or Toronto. He played in Kansas City. I don't think we spend enough time thinking about how the Royals fu*ked that up.

March 26, 2010 at 4:43 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Albert Minnis??? No...And Mac n Seitz is not at all like East Cobb teams.

March 26, 2010 at 9:13 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

I would add Mike Pelfrey from Wichita St. to the local star passed over list. By the way Rany Goddard isn't the sticks anymore, it's basically west Wichita now. Ahh urban sprawl even here in little ole doodah.

March 26, 2010 at 10:48 PM

Blogger Rany said...

Pelfrey's a first-rounder, which is why I didn't include him, along with Darren Dreifort, Joba Chamberlain, and a few other local stars over the years. Torii Hunter was a first-rounder out of an Arkansas high school, etc.

March 27, 2010 at 1:25 AM

Blogger Howard-Hammer said...

Even though there is no guaranty that he will make it to the majors, I would add Pat Venditte to the list. I was screaming with frustration when the Royals didn't draft him. If you have a chance to draft a pitcher in the later rounds who is ambidextrous, throwing both left and right handed, and a local talent, you do it!
No one would care if the Royals drafted him 15th overall and he bombed out. Instead the Yankees thought enough of him to draft him in back to back years 45th in 2007, 20th in 2008. So far in the minors 100 IP, 1.53 ERA, 129 K, 21 BB. If I end up having to watch this kid pitch for the Yankees for 15 years, and listen to the ESPN announcer fall all over themselves about what an amazing talent he is, I might get physically sick.

March 27, 2010 at 4:09 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Max Scherzer was a 38th rounder (or so) out of HS.

Cards took him but wouldn't give more than $1,000 or so for the signing bonus

March 27, 2010 at 10:53 AM

Blogger kehrsam said...

The Braves started drafting locally in the early 19902 with that Larry Jones guy. Worked out ok.

March 27, 2010 at 12:35 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting take, and eye opening to relaize the amount of local talent, at schools that are non-BCS schools.
Alos I believe Shaun Marcum is from the kansas City area itself. He went to Excelsior Springs HS, just a little north east of Liberty, MO, basically a northern subburb

March 27, 2010 at 12:40 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have you ever seen an East Cobb team play? Minnis has been contacted by approximately 20 major league teams. So I would say that's a viable draft pick. also, signed with WSU. They produced a few high draft picks.

March 27, 2010 at 2:36 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

McRae spent the fall semesters playing football at Blue Springs High, then went to Florida for the second semester and baseball.

March 27, 2010 at 6:27 PM

Anonymous BobDD said...

I didn't think Rany was using Pujols as an example of drafting/scouting suckitude, but just simple dream wishing. And why not? It's a nice free dream, and dreaming is the only Royal pleasure at this point.

March 27, 2010 at 9:50 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe I am over reacting but I don't understand Hillman.

First quote last week. Something to the effect that he refuses to consider DeJesus in the second spot in the lineup because he has not fared well in that spot in the lineup. First of all there are sample size issues. Second of all what basis does he have to claim that a spot in the lineup makes any damn difference. The lack of intelligence required to make that quote is incredible.

Then today he is saying he wants to make sure that Aviles can play all infield positions before he gives him a roster spot. Why? If he can play second and make the throw from second his bat is needed in the lineup. Is he protecting their project in Getz? The guy can play defense but cannot hit. Aviles would be more than adequate at second and would dramatically improve the lineup.

I know that Hillman says things a lot of the time to keep people guessing. He is less than forthright with the media, and maybe he is doing this again, but I don't understand it. I want to like Hillman. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt and think that he will become a solid manager, but these quotes really make me think he will continue to struggle in his role.

March 28, 2010 at 9:08 AM

Blogger Nathan said...

Rany, not to change the subject, but have you been paying attention to Kila K-Hooey? Leading in homers (admittedly, in the spring league) and Moore saying, "He's making a tremendous case for himself."

Think there's any chance he actually plays for the Royals this year BEFORE August and September?

March 28, 2010 at 12:47 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

You left out a notable local miss by the Royals front office:

Dan Uggla, 11th rd., 2001

He graduated from Memphis, but that's not the local tie I'm talking about. Uggla starred in the M.I.N.K. league in St. Joseph in 1999 and 2000. If you're not familiar with the M.I.N.K. league, it's a summer, college, wood bat league like the Cape Cod League, only for 2nd tier kids that mostly play in the Midwest. The St. Joe team alone has produced nearly a dozen major league players in the past 10-15 years, though most only had cups of coffee (Dan Uggla, Shaun Marcum, Brandon Duckworth are some of the bigger names). Albert Pujols also played in the M.I.N.K. league for the Parkville team. I should explain that MINK stands for Missouri, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas. All the teams are within 2 hours of K.C. There's no excuse for the Royals not to scout this league every summer.

March 28, 2010 at 8:16 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have seen East Cobb teams.

March 29, 2010 at 12:57 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another Missouri Stater missed. Shaun Marcum, who will start the opener for the Blue Jays.

Used to watch Ryan Howard hit home runs into the city swimming pool in Springfield. But the field was 320 down the lines and 350 to dead centerfield. Yeah, he hit a lot of homers.

March 29, 2010 at 8:59 AM

Blogger Jason said...

Great article as usual Rany. I just thought I'd let you know another Missouri State Alum you missed on the list is Matt Palmer who had a decent regular season for the Angels last year. Kind of a late bloomer but still another local player who has made it to the majors and had some success.

March 30, 2010 at 11:09 PM

Blogger Mike Weilamann said...

Rany;

Thanks for your work covering the Royals. Just a suggestion but as a reader I feel that your blogs are entirely too long and as much as I love the Royals and reading about them I find it tough to stay with some of these monstrous pieces.

Again I love your work and hope you continue to examine the franchise.

March 31, 2010 at 9:06 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gehrig bats left

April 1, 2010 at 12:28 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Rany,
I am not sure I agree with your premise. Without knowing too much about the scouting world, aren't they on the road (away from home) much of the time? Do they/should they really know more about local talent? It would make sense on the surface but I'm not sure that it does in the actual event.

April 7, 2010 at 11:39 AM

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