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"(Don't) Blame The K."

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Blogger Kansas City said...

Moore's comment about the ballpark was stupid. But what was even more distressing was that he apparently he did not understand he was spouting off a theory that could be checked by sabremetrics. Either Moore is not bright enough to think that he should check the stats before stating his theory or, worse yet, he does not know that sabremetics can easily check his theory.
And, if that is not bad enough, his top scout is saying he does not pay attention to plate discipline in scouting top draft picks.
I had been on the let's give Dayton a chance team, but it is tough to stay on it as the accumulation of stuff piles up.

June 21, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Blogger THH said...

One of the problems of being a GM is that you have to respond to questions you don't know the answer to.

It's the same sort of problem that sportswriters and commentators have. They've got to talk and write whether or not they have anything to say. So they write and say a lot of really stupid stuff.

I doubt that Dayton Moore actually believes that the ballpark is the problem. But it's an excuse and he thinks somebody just might buy it. Because it makes a certain amount of sense if you are willing to buy what he is selling. Most importantly, it didn't put the blame on himself.

Not a great performance though and does lead you to believe that he might not be the answer to the question.

June 21, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Blogger Home Run Tony Cogan said...

There is no accountability in this organization, from the owner down to the beer vendors and hosts/hostesses.

Once the fanbase DEMANDS that the Royals win games, and the owner starts taking it seriously, then the team will start being competitive.

June 21, 2013 at 11:09 PM

Blogger Home Run Tony Cogan said...

There is no accountability in this organization, from the owner down to the beer vendors and hosts/hostesses.

Once the fanbase DEMANDS that the Royals win games, and the owner starts taking it seriously, then the team will start being competitive.

June 21, 2013 at 11:10 PM

Blogger RickMcKC said...

KC wrote: "Either Moore is not bright enough to think that he should check the stats before stating his theory or, worse yet, he does not know that sabermetics can easily check his theory."

Or, it could be - and this is my hunch - that he and his staff think sabermetrics is a bunch of hooey.

I've often wondered why David Glass didn't hire someone from the SM culture to be GM. The theory certainly fits a Walmart-mindset. But he didn't. Maybe he thinks it is hooey, too.

June 22, 2013 at 12:18 AM

Blogger KHAZAD said...

Dayton Moore tried to place blame somewhere other than on himself? Shocking. He has never taken responsibility for anything that has gone wrong in 7 years, why start now?

This lack of accountability bleeds down through the entire organization, and as long as Moore is at the top, we will be hearing nothing but lame excuses.

June 22, 2013 at 6:11 AM

Blogger Echo Vamper said...

I watched Dayton as a player. He played second base for Garden City Community College (as did MLB umpire Todd Tichenor). He played for Coach Joe Slobko. Joe was successful but was definitely old school. As a Yankee fan he revered Ralph Houk and held a considerable disdain for modern ideas about the game and in particular sabermetrics. In other words, Coach Slobko was also the type of guy who would bat Richardson and Kubek at the top of his order. Dayton was a good offensive player but not particularly selective. I am not at all surprised that DM doesn't seem to grasp any of the nuances of sabermetrics nor any of the modern approaches to the game very well.

June 22, 2013 at 7:39 AM

Blogger thomasj19 said...

We have all been saying for a long time now that the Royals will never win with Moore as GM. If you have ever heard him talk you know that Moore simply has no clue. It is kind of like the scouts in the movie "Moneyball" that were completely ignoring Billy Beane. Moore is just like them. He simply can't understand how he can be wrong despite the fact that the team has never won anything while he has been there.

Moore simply doesn't get it and he never will. And while it is nice the Royals lead the league in ERA it means nothing since the organization is rotting from the head down. As I have said before, until Moore is gone the Royals will not win.

June 22, 2013 at 8:47 AM

Blogger Kansas City said...

Hard to be optimistic about Moore.
And, it appears he is not very smart, which probably cannot be fixed. He keeps a prized top scout who does not feel it is necessary to look at plate discipline with top draft picks -- tools are the end all.

Among the biggest factors on whether Moore truly understands the value of OBP are his acquisitions: Guillen (inexplicable of many other levels as well), Jacobs, Yuni, Kendall, Escobar, Olivo, Getz, Bloomquist, even now Tejada, and probably Johnson. He just doesn't acqiure good plate discipline guys, so it is hard to accept that he truly values it.

June 22, 2013 at 9:44 AM

Blogger Kansas City said...

On the plus side, Wil Myers is hitting 190 with a 429 OPS and no walks. Of course, those stats are pretty meaningless at 21 at bats, but they project out at below Getz level.

I think the Myers trade is defensible. What is indefensible is constructing a roster where you have Frency every day in RF and Getz every day at 2b. And, while giving Moose a chance was reasonable, he still built a roster with at least four glaring holes in the line up (RF, 2B, SS, and 3B) and not strong plan B's on any of them. And, of course, the failure to all his drafts to produce so far a good offensive player is mind boggling.

June 22, 2013 at 9:52 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

Moore's recent comments were the last straw for me. Not necessarily the comment itself, but it's the icing on the cake of an organization that does not demand accountability of anyone. I think I've hit my Rob Neyer moment.

I'm 40 years old and grew up in Hays KS. Of course in those days there was no internet, even when there was cable, there was no such thing as ESPN and MLB Network. You got regional teams and not much else. Which was fine, because they Royals were GREAT when I was a kid. They contended, games mattered, and everyone would get caught up in the Royals. I live downstate from Rany and keep throwing away my dollars for the MLB internet package to watch my Royals.

I desperately, DESPERATELY want this team to succeed. And in the weak AL Central it's almost criminal to not contend occasionally.

But the Royals are rotten to the foundation. They stubbornly don't do or perhaps even acknowledge what needs to be done in this era. And if they're not making players in the minors draw walks, make players accountable, etc. we sure can see the results of what happens when the players get to the majors.

If the Royals were to fire GMDM and hire someone that truly understands how to win in this era, will the dividends be reaped while guys like Gordon and Butler are still under contract? (I'm genuinely asking) How long does it take to get the philosophy changed from the top level down to A ball and the draft?

I've hit the stage of hopelessness and why should I follow a team that is not going to reward my loyalty?

I'm done. If the Royals someday fire GMDM (heaven forbid they extend his contract) and hire someone who might have a clue, then maybe I'll put my toe in the water and glance over from time to time to see how the Royals are doing. But I can't waste my time with them anymore.

If I want to listen to a baseball game, I'll point my MLB internet package to the Rays and Cardinals (got that hurts to type). Those organizations aren't the cluster*%#ks that the Royals are.

June 22, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Blogger John said...

Anyone ever wondered what the Royals might be like right now if David Glass had given Allard Baird the same operating budget and non-interference in baseball operations that he gave to Dayton Moore? Baird knew what needed to be done, but he had no chance to build a good team with what Glass was doing, and forcing Baird to do, at that time.

The fact that he ended up in Boston, of all places, and is a key member of the organization (and likely next GM if Cherington ever leaves) says a lot.

June 22, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

John, he still traded Jermaine Dye for Neifi Perez. Carlos Beltran for John Buck.

June 22, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Blogger Kansas City said...

Baird, like Moore, probably was in a position over the level of his competence. He is probably at the right level in Boston, as was Moore in Atlanta.

Andrea will be back. Unless a fan moves and falls in love with another team, or gives up the sport, they never really leave their team.

June 22, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Blogger Fast Eddie said...

Don't speak too soon about Wil Myers--he had a HR, 4 RBI today.

June 22, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Dayton Moore seems like a pretty like-able guy to me. I'm rooting for him. I would love to see him grow as a GM, and embrace the stats. But if a guy isn't willing to learn, it's time to move on.

June 23, 2013 at 12:32 AM

Blogger brdirck said...

I'll buy Rany's argument: it's not the stadium that has caused the Royals to devalue walks and OBP. But the really interesting question is this: if not Kauffman, then what is the root cause? Thirty years...in that span the Royals have turned over everyone--owner, GM, scouts, coaches--at least once. So how does an organization preserve its institutional memory to that extent for that long, so that it does essentially the same thing--i.e., make the same mistakes over and over again--when the people are all different?

June 23, 2013 at 10:36 AM

Blogger twm said...

Yep, frustrating, but I think a lot of fans are pretty inured to this sort of silliness by now: the one thing DM has been consistent about is a belligerent refusal to accept any responsibility for the team's continued struggle.

But I have to say, and I am no prospect hound, from what I have read DM did quite well with his first two picks in the draft this season. Of course the draft has been his strength while in KC, but the past couple drafts have looked far worse than this, with Colon and Bubba looking uninspired at the time of the draft and kind of terrible now.

June 23, 2013 at 10:50 AM

Blogger Kansas City said...

Bridric

Good question. I think it really is uninspired leaders who have been very slow to understand the value of OBP and walks. Heck, they have had guys on air who don't understand. Frank White to this day does not understand the value of walks and OBP. Neither does Hudler. Denny probably does not care, or more likely, he is opposed to walks because they make the game take longer. Can you believe a guy with Denny's job constantly complaining that the games take too long? I'm all in favor of fast play, but he is the team's announcer trying to see the product and has one of the best jobs in the world. I assume Ryan is in the process of understanding, but even he did not when he arrive.

June 23, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Blogger Kansas City said...

Myers did hit one of the world's luckiest grand slams in Yankee Stadium of all places. It was a fly ball to right center that kept on going, was missed by the CF, hit the top of the fence and bounced over. Probably not a good sign. Although the Rays are 2 and 4 with him in lineup.

June 23, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Blogger Otis said...

Rany. As an A's fan, I recall there being an article about how they teach plate discipline throughout the minor league system. It seems to work for them:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4924

June 24, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Why don't the Royals just admit that they don't focus on walks and plate discipline in their development of hitters at any level? Is it a guarded secret? Internally do they have a formula for winning that does not include plate discipline? If they do, it isn't working or even creating offense.
If the avoidance of admitting it is because that doing so would make them look foolish then... well... maybe they should focus more on OBP/BBs and discipline.

June 24, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

I am only going to defend DM here to create the rope with which to hang him. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say the park is a deterrent to walking. The strategy then would be to amass high average guys with gap power. We did that in 2011 and finished in the top half in runs scored. (I think the team BA was like .280, and the entire outfield had 40+ doubles.) The problem with this team is that it does NOTHING well with the bat.

June 28, 2013 at 7:56 AM

Blogger brdirck said...

So Yost puts Escobar back in the number 2 spot, he with the sub .300 OBP and, guess what, they lose a game in which they only score 1 run. God it sucka being a Royals fan, sometimes.

June 28, 2013 at 9:10 AM

Blogger John said...

John, he still traded Jermaine Dye for Neifi Perez. Carlos Beltran for John Buck.
I know he did, but it's been pretty well documented that at least in the Dye-for-Neifi trade, he was forced to make that deal by David Glass, and told to unload Dye within 48 hours. I'd be willing to bet the Beltran trade was the same thing. Baird has never been willing to talk about what happened in KC, so he still gets blamed for those awful trades.

Believe me, the Boston Red Sox wouldn't put a guy in charge of player personnel who actually thought Neifi Perez was a better player than Jermaine Dye.

The guy knew talent. He seemed to come up with a few table scraps or dumpster-dive players every year that helped the team, but because Glass refused to spend any money back then, it was all Baird could do to keep the Royals from challenging the '62 Mets.

June 28, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Frenchy is DFA'd. Somewhere Rany is cavorting.

June 30, 2013 at 5:18 AM

Blogger Fast Eddie said...

Someone ought to pick up Francoeur. He usually does well his 1st half-year or year with a team, then does nothing thereafter. Wait until he's officially released, get him for the rest of 2013 at minimum, then don't bring him back in 2014.

June 30, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Blogger Mark said...

Rany . . .

Hellooooo? Just a tweet?

Time to respond to this week's news, and to (finally) tell us what you would give for Giancarlo Stanton.

Cough up.

June 30, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Blogger twm said...

Stayed up until one watching the game. Might have gone to bed before the comeback had I not been waiting for Alex Gordon updates. Man I hope he isn't concussed. Or suffering from a major hip injury. Really, I just want him to come back 100% tomorrow.

July 4, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Blogger Clark Massey said...

I like sabremetrics, and I believe it could greatly improve the Royals. But... here are my two questions for Rany,
Is all the low lying fruit of sabermetrics gone? Can a small market team still use sabremetrics insights to great success or just to become average?

Has anyone tried to test if the Royals are worse than the sum of their parts? Do the Royals persistently underperform given the statistical expectation of their roster? If this could be tested, we can scientifically talk about the possibility of a Royals "curse".

July 4, 2013 at 10:52 PM

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