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"The 2012 Royals And The Illusion of Chemistry."

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Blogger Brett said...

Great post, as usual. It does seem like the Royals were set up to exceed expectations (especially with so much of the roster having experience playing toegether), but it hasn't worked out that way.

One typo I noticed, if you want to correct it: "every AL contender and at least a few NL contenders past on him despite his salary."

August 13, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Blogger Rany said...

Ouch, that's a dumb mistake. Fixed.

August 13, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Blogger KA said...

Not too many baseball bloggers who can work "vociferously" into a post. That's why Dr. Jazayerli is the best.

August 13, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Blogger kmc1234 said...

rany, have you seen the website : www.no-more-glass.com ? Interesting...raising money to put a half page letter/add in the KC Star to ask David Glass to sell the team. They have raised over half the money in just about a week. Might be the start of something?

August 13, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Blogger Echo Vamper said...

Always enjoy the your posts Rany. In a way it would be nice to have Glass sell, but to me there is a "be careful what you wish for" type cautionary qualification that should go with it.

Our offense is underperforming and we not only have Myers pretty much ready, but I am thinking we have the right side of the 2012 Ken Phelps all-star infield cloistered down in Omaha as well.

August 13, 2012 at 3:51 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have no idea how chemistry effects players on the field. What I hope is that a fun and chemistry laden clubhouse entices them to stay in KC after their contracts expire, likely for less money than they could get elsewhere.

August 13, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Blogger Nick said...

Chemistry seemed to work pretty well for Vida Blue on the mound...

August 13, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Blogger Nick said...

And especially Dock Ellis...

August 13, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Blogger Breadhead said...

Bob Dutton weighs in on a change in the Royals' outfield defensive philosophy. Seems to hint at one reason the club may have been unhappy with Sisson.

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/08/13/3760905/royals-shift-philosophy-on-outfield.html

August 13, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Blogger KHAZAD said...

I have always said that most team chemistry illusions, good and bad, are created by the press to fit a story.

If you get a roster of 25 guys, you have 25 personalities. There might be small groups who do things together. You might be able to avoid any situations of true antipathy, but it is doubtful that there won't be at least one or two. Other than shared celebrations, you will have loners, attention whores, and people who are in their own small groups. There are huge differences in backgrounds, talent levels and work ethics. There are usually at least two (sometimes more) languages spoken. Players travel with phones and Ipods and other electronic devices designed to keep them occupied and isolated. They live in far flung areas of the country (or in other countries altogether)

It is not like the late 1970's early 80's Royals, when half the team seemed to live in Blue Springs. Though even then having that core who hung out together after games did not keep some of the team from a drug induced downward spiral.

Like any closely packed workplace, the best you can do is keep everyone on the same page and keep people from wanting to kill each other.

August 13, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I met Rusty Kuntz and he is very likeable. I bet they brought him in too because of chemistry concerns. DM, I had high hopes for, but his decisions seems less and less calculated. Heres to Wil Myers's bat in September and what we can glean from that.

August 14, 2012 at 1:31 AM

Blogger Drew Milner said...

Rany, you say "Luke Hochevar may be an enigma on the mound, but off the field he comes across as thoughtful and articulate."

This contradicts his use of "Yanno" 83 times per interview. (I was told he is doing it less than before)

August 14, 2012 at 1:56 AM

Blogger Drew Milner said...

Rany, you say "Luke Hochevar may be an enigma on the mound, but off the field he comes across as thoughtful and articulate."

This contradicts his use of "Yanno" 83 times per interview. (I was told he is doing it less than before)

August 14, 2012 at 1:57 AM

Blogger Drew Milner said...

Rany, you say "Luke Hochevar may be an enigma on the mound, but off the field he comes across as thoughtful and articulate."

This contradicts his use of "Yanno" 83 times per interview. (I was told he is doing it less than before)

August 14, 2012 at 1:57 AM

Blogger Drew Milner said...

Can someone please zap 2 of my triple posts? The prompts said it didn't take, so I did it again, and then again when it prompted me again.

August 14, 2012 at 1:58 AM

Blogger Drew Milner said...

Rany, I know you have mentioned it before, but in the segment on the dropoff in runs from 6th in the AL last year to 11th this year, you forgot to mention getting rid of Melky (for Suckez, no less)

August 14, 2012 at 2:12 AM

Blogger Ted said...

On Chemistry:

I was right there with you wondering whether this team might have benefited in wins from what seemed like a great clubhouse atmosphere heading into the season. So much for that.

I'd also point out that it seems difficult to discern much about a guy's makeup when all he's known is success. Sure, truly minus makeup is likely to rear its head early on (Delmon Young comes to mind, rightly or not), but the young guys on this team aren't likely to have shown any negative character issues if all (or at least most) of what they've done is win. If the takeaway lesson from all of this is that winning begets chemistry, and by extension, "good chemistry guys," then you'd likely be getting a pretty skewed view of most top tier prospects' makeup.

And a Mijares question for you Rany:

Since Dayton Moore had presumably just finished trying to deal Mijares at the deadline, doesn't letting him get claimed in this fashion undermine his credibility as a trading partner in the eyes of other clubs? In other words, do DM's actions basically send the message that he was trying to sell something that he himself saw as valueless? Or is it just about the current LOOGY market (or lack thereof)? Still pretty baffled by this transaction, and I'm not sure the character issues surrounding the Sisson and Yuni ax jobs really applies.

August 15, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Blogger Drew Milner said...

Good one, Ted

August 15, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Blogger Antonio. said...

What if this piss poor team HAS benefited wins due to its character and it's such a horrendous team that chemistry is just being dismissed. What if they win 71 games but if they were a bit surlier they would have won 67?

August 15, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Blogger Drew Milner said...

Well, I read the No More Glass website. I personally am not nearly as anti-Glass as many people. Now, I suppose he is worth about $700 million, which I guess ideally is NOT rich enough to be a baseball team owner. But there were several flaws in the letter they want published in the KC Star if they raise the money:

He sure put a lot of weight on that downtown stadium idea. Anyhow, I have been 5 times this year, 6 last year. I would probably go zero to a downtown stadium.

He also put many cities that are way larger (metro-wise) than us in his category: those within our same general size and general economic viability:

Chicago (both NL and AL), Detroit, Minnesota, Cleveland, Tampa Bay, Texas (Dallas), Oakland, Seattle, Atlanta, Cincinnati, Milwaukee, St. Louis, Houston, Arizona (Phoenix), San Diego, Colorado (Denver).

This year Washington and Pittsburgh look as if they will join this list.

IMHO, w/o looking it up, the only cities on his list even close to being as small as us (metro-wise) are Cincinnati and Milwaukee.

August 17, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Blogger Drew Milner said...

I looked up the metro area stats. Note that many teams draw from beyond their metro area. Well, Milwaukee metro is substantially smaller than KC, KC has caught up with Cleveland (or Cleveland has come down to KC), Cincy is barely more than KC, Pittsburgh 15% bigger, Denver 22% bigger, Baltimore 30%, St. Louis almost 40%, and everyone else beyond that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_metropolitan_statistical_areas

August 17, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Blogger Drew Milner said...

Another way of looking at it, TV markets:

http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets

August 17, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Blogger John VIril said...

Yeah, but Tampa has a terrible stadium situation which pretty much effectively squanders a lot of their market size.

From what I understand, they placed the stadium across the bay from most of the market. Revenue-wise, Tampa is any bigger than KC (right now). Notice how they are winning and still aren't putting butts in the seats?

That wouldn't happen in KC. If the Royals were winning like the Rays, Kauffman would overflow with fans.

August 19, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Blogger John VIril said...

Yeah, but Tampa has a terrible stadium situation which pretty much effectively squanders a lot of their market size.

From what I understand, they placed the stadium across the bay from most of the market. Revenue-wise, Tampa is any bigger than KC (right now). Notice how they are winning and still aren't putting butts in the seats?

That wouldn't happen in KC. If the Royals were winning like the Rays, Kauffman would overflow with fans.

August 19, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rany, check out the latest post on Royals Review - your "1985 by Bowling for Soup" parody now has some competition.

August 20, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Blogger Roy in Omaha said...

Two thoughts.

One is of Leo Durocher. "Nice guys. Finish last"

Two, is that if this isn't an indictment of Ned Yost and his "managerial abilities", I don't know what is.

Poorly led talent isn't talented.

August 22, 2012 at 12:10 PM

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