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"Royals Today: 9/10/14."

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Blogger Paul J. said...

But why does Aoki need to be replaced by a pinch-runner in the first place? He has 15 SB this year (4th on the team); it's not like he's Butler/Willingham/Perez, etc. It just seems to me like the marginal increase in speed from Aoki to Dyson isn't really worth it for a run that wouldn't tie the game or give the Royals the lead.

September 10, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Blogger Steve T. said...

2) Joe Nathan is so easy to run on that you don’t need to force the issue: just make sure he’s going to home plate before you take off.

This is absolutely not true.

And I think it’s where all of your analysis breaks down. Pretty much the only way anyone steals third is to go as soon as the pitcher lifts his front leg. If the runner waits until that leg is actually going towards the plate, he’s got no shot. Not even Dyson. I challenge anyone to find a video where a runner steals third base after waiting for the pitcher’s lead leg to come forward.

As noted in the excellent Ventura article today, bases are stolen off of pitchers. And in the case of stealing third, it’s stolen off of pitchers that aren’t paying attention. If everyone knows you’re stealing third, you’re not stealing third. It’s just not possible.

Sometimes you can't just use past numbers because even though the situation seems the same, sometimes it's not. So throw out all the numbers that represent what happened in other situations. Dyson’s chances of stealing third there were very close to zero. Insert that into the analysis and it all falls apart. The odds of a successful steal, multiplied by the odds of either Perez or Hosmer getting a hit are much less than the odds of Perez or Hosmer hitting a double or better, or both hitting singles.

Remember the raves that Dave Roberts got for stealing second base when everyone knew he was going? Because it’s REALLY hard when they know you’re going. Third is virtually impossible.

This is all on Tost, he put Dyson in an impossible position.

September 10, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Blogger Mark LaFlamme said...

The Dyson pickoff was annoying as hell, but I'm STILL much angrier about the Perez AB. Just awful; even worse than his bases loaded appearance earlier in the game.

September 10, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

^^Agreed about Perez. Saw 12 pitches yesterday and swung at 10 of them. Only 1 ball. Infuriating.

^^Aoki might as well be replaced because if the game progressed into the bottom half of the 9th, Dyson is the better outfielder and would've been subbed in for defense anyway. So you might as well get the faster guy leading the stealing.

Finally, I don't understand why everyone hates Yost. It seems to me that some people simply love to hate managers no matter what the state of the club is.

September 10, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Blogger Kansas City said...

Didn't Perez hit a line drive the prior time up with the bases loaded?

To me, if the second baseman is on second base holding the runner, you have to shelve the stolen base because you are either going to be picked off or you are going to be thrown out.

September 10, 2014 at 4:54 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Paul J.: - Aoki might as well be replaced with Dyson there because Dyson was going to come into the game as a defensive replacement if we tied the game anyway. If you're going to improve on defense in the bottom half of the inning, you might as well improve on speed (albeit not as vastly) in the top half.

September 10, 2014 at 5:10 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Agree that Perez's plate discipline is absolutely horrible. You can't keep him in the 3 or 4 slot if he is going to swing at pitches that far out of the strike zone. Never got my hopes up too far even when they were 2-3 games ahead of the Tigers, because I was always worried that the Royals as a team are way too aggressive and when they played smart teams they could easily be shut down, just by never throwing the ball across the plate for good hitting pitches regardless of the count. Don't want them up looking for walks, but working the count for a good pitch is just smart baseball.

Just looked at tonights projected lineup and saw Perez is hitting 6th. I like Cain but at the moment I would put Dyson in instead, Cain is trying to pull everything, while not waiting for middle to inside pitches to rip.

Don't understand why players like Perez, Cain, & Escobar who can go to the opposite field, at times get in severe pull mode and won't go that way,especially with 2 strikes

September 10, 2014 at 6:57 PM

Blogger KHAZAD said...

Paul J - You seem to be of the opinion that Aoki is fast. He is not. He is an aggressive baserunner, and so he has 15 steals, but he is thrown out or picked off 31% of the time in his career, Dyson only 17%. This year, Dyson has stolen 2.2 times as many bases per out as Aoki.

When Aoki tries to take an extra base on a hit or other occurrence, he does so at a below average rate and makes a higher than average number of outs. Dyson takes that extra base base at a rate 50% higher than league average, and makes about half the outs of an average player while doing that.

It is not a marginal difference, it is an entirely different world.

September 11, 2014 at 12:44 AM

Blogger Robert said...

APC, I kindof agree with your point about Dyson being a defensive replacement, anyway...but you lose me in the Yost stuff. If it's so obvious that Dyson is 1) faster and 2) going to be the defensive replacement then surely you don't need to wait until mid-at bat to put him in. Right?

September 11, 2014 at 9:05 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

Don't you just love baseball? Makes us all look like fools. It was mentioned to bench Cain because he is trying to pull everything. All he does is lace a triple to right to score an important insurance run. Nice

September 11, 2014 at 9:18 AM

Blogger John said...

Lots of good comments, the most important noting that stealing second and third are apples and oranges--comparing them is pretty useless. A a pitcher's success or lack thereof in preventing steals of second is basically irrelevant to the issue of stealing third, which almost always is a result of surprise and/or the runner on second being ignored by the pitcher. Even if Dyson plays that situation perfectly, stealing third was going to be very difficult with the Tigers knowing it was coming.

Plate discipline is of course a huge and chronic Royals issue. Salvy is the worst offender (side note--he is a Rany favorite so Rany tends to go easy on him on this point, not by defending him but by mostly just not talking about it), but the team as a whole is terrible on this, and if you bracket Gordon, Aoki, Willingham and (until this year) Butler, the Royals' hitters are just unbelievably undisciplined. This is particularly true of Moose and Hosmer--the poster boys of the Royals draft and develop Process. They are just dreadful--near the bottom of MLB offensive production for their positions--and enormously disappointing precisely because top draft choices and so much time, money and hope has been invested in them. The contrast between now and their earlier development is stark and brutal, and the cause is obvious: Yost's and Moore's catastrophic decision to fire Kevin Seitzer.

September 11, 2014 at 10:21 AM

Blogger Drew Milner said...

Right on John

September 11, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Blogger Jazzbumpa said...

In Monday's and Tuesday's games the Royals shot themselves in the foot. Here in the D, the Dyson pick-off was both hilarious and an unexpected gift from the baseball Gods - well, actually from Ian Kinsler. And the final pitch in that game to get the K on Perez was easily a foot off the plate.

Royals defense was dreadful in both games.

I was surprised to learn that on a fielding percentage basis, they are 11th in the AL. Better than the 13th place Tigers, but from this stat anyway, it looks like their defense is a liability rather than an asset.

Maybe there is sabermertic approach that presents a different picture?

But it looks at this point as if the Royals have good to great pitching, and absolutely nothing else going for them.

The Tigers TV announcing team have nothing but high praise for Yost and Moore, FWIW.

Shields totally shut the Tigers down last night. Congrats to him on a great outing.

But if the Royals want to make it to the finish line, they'd better start scoring some runs and stop muffing ground balls.

Cheers!
JzB

September 11, 2014 at 11:15 AM

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