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"2013 Opening Day Preview: The Final Result."

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Blogger bbxpert said...

You surprised me. I was expecting you to predict 81-81. I think your rationale is solid. I predicted about 88 myself. Regarding the bullpen, I would be really surprised if Chen and Hochevar are still in it by the All Star break. I would expect to see one or both traded.

April 2, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Blogger demonpenz said...

Salvy Perez is the best player on earth.

April 2, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Blogger GregN said...

I'd call you delusional, but it's time for my annual checkup and I don't want you "finding" things in revenge.
Have a great season!

April 2, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Blogger Bart said...

You seem to have forgotten Buddy Bell's immortal words "It can always get worse."

April 2, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Blogger ItsThisOrTherapy said...

I thought 86 wins was a bit of a stretch, but your rationale makes sense. I expect more regression from catcher, but if right field is not a disaster, that does seem doable.

April 2, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Blogger BobDD said...

I agree with almost all your rationale too, except I see the end result being 80-82 wins. But then I cannot credit GMDM with the sense you accord him on Frenchy. Also can't quite get over the worries about Hosmer yet. And for that matter looking at Salvy's career, his less than one MLB season is the outlier so I'm uneasy that we are not saying he has to prove it this year.

April 2, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Blogger Huskergut said...

Rany,
Not saying I agree with the Wil Myers trade, but let's not assume it's a done deal that the trade is a fail if the Royals miss the playoffs. Whenever I've heard you analyze the trade, you make the assumption that Myers will develop into a star. He might, but it's not a given.

Myers isn't the hitting prospect that Trout or Harper were; as a prospect he's more on the level of Hosmer, Moose, Smoak, Montero, etc. I obviously cherry-picked those players, but it's to illustrate a point. All of those guys were 'can't miss' hitting prospects, and so far they've all missed. I submit it's no given that Myers is going to turn into Dale Murphy. Not saying he won't, just saying it's not a sure thing.

Let's say Myers performs like Moustakas has over his first two years - or worse yet like Smoak. If that's the case, and if Shields pitches like he has the last six years, are we sure the trade is a loss? (put another way, if KC had traded Moustakas for Shields, would you be that upset?) I understand we still give up the years of cost control, but Shields isn't overpriced and if he plays like an all-star while Myers plays like a replacement level player, I think the difference in salaries is justified).

Or what if Myers has Alex Gordon's career for the first five years? (three years of replacement-level or below, followed by two very good years). If that happens, then we've traded two very good years of Myers in 2016 and 2017 for two very good years of Shields in 2013 and 2014. Not sure that's a loss.

Again, I'm not saying I like the trade, but I am saying there are ways this can be a win even if the Royals don't make the playoffs. And the stuff I mentioned above doesn't even mention the possibility of Davis becoming a solid #3 or better, which obviously tips the scales more to the Royals' side.

April 2, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Good points "unknown", but I think Rany's point has always been that we could have accomplished what we needed to with pitching in the offseason AND have kept Meyers.

It was the thought process he disagreed with the most.

April 2, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Blogger Huskergut said...

Chris,
Yeah, I agree, and that's why I don't like the trade either. But I don't agree with the idea that the deal is a failure if we don't make the playoffs. That line of reasoning assumes we squandered the farm system to get Shields, but if Myers doesn't turn out to be a star, then we really didn't squander anything - we just gave up a good young prospect.

Having said all this, the Royals fan in me just KNOWS that if any of our prospects are going to turn out to be superstars, it'll be the guywe traded. So Rany's probably right either way.

April 2, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Blogger Steve N said...

I think that the analysis is a tad optimistic but I do see the potential for more if the young players come on. The major fear is a starting pitcher breakdown. Johnson isn't the first back up, it is Hochevar and Chen. Much bad news.

April 3, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Blogger zdebman said...

Unknown is misguided -- it doesn't matter whether Wil becomes and All-Star or flops in order to evaluate the trade. It is all about how Shields and Davis do here in KC, and I agree that that ultimately is about making the playoffs. If we don't, then it was a bad trade if Wil, Odorizzi, Montgomery and Leonard all flop.

April 3, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Blogger BobDD said...

but unknown (sorry don't know where the tilde goes on that name),

Don't forget when you compare them that it is 2 years of Shields vs 6 yrs of Myers for less $$ - that's a very high bar for both Shields to pass and for Myers to miss.

April 3, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Blogger BobDD said...

. . . I meant that 2 yrs makes the bar high for Shields and 6 yrs makes the bar low for Myers.

April 3, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

i think you forgot that miguel tejada's on the roster. one of the infielders will get hurt at some point, and tejada will play every day for a while, alongside jeff francoeur.

Shields + 4 below average starters + a mediocre lineup= <86 wins

April 3, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Blogger twm said...

Watching the 2nd game and thinking back to the Rany and Joe podcast in which you both dismissed Flowers almost out of hand. This is your punishment: he will now hit a home run every time he plays the Royals.

April 3, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Blogger Drew Milner said...

Santana still gopher ball man, hochevar still sucks. My spellcheck on my phone suggested "whichever" for hochevar.

April 3, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Rany, Keitzman called Gordon a disappointment on the radio (considering the draft pick). Can you address this next time you are on their station?

April 3, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Blogger twm said...

The more I think about it the more the Hochevar appearance upsets me. Not his results, which were comical and unfortunate, but whatever. It was the decision to use him at all. With only a 2-run deficit in the 7th, why not use Crow, Collins or Herrera? This is a high-leverage situation, right? I didn't read the post-game interview, but I assume Yost said something along the lines of "I wanted Hoch to get in there early" or "we need him to know that we have confidence in him and that we are willing to use him" or some other nonsense which essentially means "early season games are less important." If Yost thinks our last 20 games will be meaningful without winning close games early, then our last 20 games will never be meaningful. Relying on easy wins is not the way to manage your way to contention. We cannot afford to give up on close games late, and that is what Yost did when he brought Hoch in to pitch the 7th. And it doesn't matter whether Yost truly believes that Hoch can handle those high leverage situations: either he believes that and exposes an inability to evaluate his bull pen arms, or he does not believe that and was just throwing Hoch out there because he wanted to get him some innings.

And that this came on the heels of batting Tejada for Getz sort of ramps up my frustration. It kind of drives me nuts that Tejada is our best option there, but I loved seeing him come to the plate.

Anyway, Hoch's appearance kind of made my heart sink. And it reminded me of Joe's podcast rant about Yost costing us wins. Sigh. Obviously we cannot say that his appearance cost us the win, but the sort of thinking that put Hoch into the 7th inning is the kind of thinking that will eventually cost us wins.

April 4, 2013 at 8:08 AM

Blogger Roy in Omaha said...

I think it fit here to remind everyone what the Royals PECOTA team projections are from Baseball Prospectus:

Playoff Pct: 12.4%
PECOTA Team Projections
Record: 76-86
Team WARP: 28.4
Team TAv: .260
Runs Scored: 720
Runs Allowed: 774
Team FRAA: 6.9

I am a tad more optimistic than this and my own guess is 83-79, plus or minus 5 games either way, with a worse record than that being more likely than a better one.

We mortgaged a portion of our future to finish 3rd or 4th this season, IMHO. Pitching wasn't THE problem this team had (and still has), anyway. Run production is.

April 4, 2013 at 9:48 AM

Blogger J35J said...

Pitching wasn't "THE" problem as you mentioned but it was THE overwhelming main problem...we had a historically bad rotation for a long time and while it's not great now it's so far head and shoulders over what we've had the last decade its not funny. With that said we do need more offense but pitching was the biggest problem. With all that said I've got em down for 80-83 wins as well.

April 4, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Blogger Drew Milner said...

Kudos to twm's analysis of uncle ned putting in hochevar.

April 5, 2013 at 9:31 AM

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