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"2014 Royals Top Prospects, Part 4."

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February 22, 2014 at 5:57 PM

Blogger ItsThisOrTherapy said...

I guess this answers the "Is there any good news on the John Lamb front?". Ouch.

February 22, 2014 at 5:58 PM

Blogger BobDD said...

(Rant Timeout)

I've complained about GMDM's neanderthal approach to evaluation and development, and his disdain for such things as OnBasePercentage that other organizations recognize the value of. Now I think it is time to just tell myself that my Royals have a below average organization because of backward thinking management. You can believe that the injury gods just happen to treat us worse, or our pitchers are just smitten with bad luck, but the truth is that this is how bad organizations maintain their place in the second division. First step: admit the problem.

We might well match or exceed last year's effort, but only if (1) there is an as yet unexpected pitching breakout(s) from somewhere that makes up for the pitching we've lost and (2) if we match the very rare lack of downtime from the starting lineup, or get an unexpected breakout there too. Doable, but against the odds.

Our GM and manager's inability to recognize and properly prioritize value are large handicaps.

Yeah, I know they are nice guys; I get that. But not even understanding the value of OB%? Not understanding the value of controlled pay for 6-7 years of minor league player of the year vs. two years of a very good pitcher at fair value? GMDM reminds me of my little brother who used to trade me anything I wanted in Monopoly as long as I told him that he would win the deal. But he was six - what's GMDM's excuse?

February 22, 2014 at 11:50 PM

Blogger Michael S. said...

I just don't get why some people are so overly negative. We just came off our best season in 25+ years, many people are projecting us to make the playoffs for the first time in 30 years. Just enjoy it while we can people.

February 23, 2014 at 8:30 AM

Blogger MaddenProPlr said...

Overly negative? Not really. Everything in recent history shows that this is how the Royals have managed their players, and has cost the careers of several prospects, almost all pitchers.

Until GMDM proves he can draft and develop PITCHING without them getting injured, people will continue to be "negative".

February 23, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Blogger Michael S. said...

Every organization has weaknesses. But some people continually harp on those without recognizing the successes. Dayton Moore does not have a spotless record, but considering where this organization was when he took over to where it is now, he's definitely done a lot more right than he has done wrong.

February 23, 2014 at 5:35 PM

Blogger Logan said...

Lamb fell to the 5th round out of high school because he missed his senior year due to a broken elbow suffered in a car accident. The fact that he recovered from that injury to be a top prospect would make me think he has the work ethic to rehab properly. But I wonder if there was some lingering problem from that injury that impacted his TJ recovery.

February 23, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Blogger Kansas City said...

Dayton Moore recently revealed the flaw in his thinking that led to the Myers trade. He said he has to make Myers type trades because the only way for Royals to secure highly valuable veterans is to trade prospects for them, i.e., the Royals could not afford to sign star free agents. Moore may be correct about the inability to sign high value fee agents, but that factor should have ZERO impact on the assessment of a trade. A team needs to focus on the value of what they are giving up (six pus years of the top prospect in baseball) versus two years of a highly paid very good pitcher. Moore apparently fails to understnd that.

February 23, 2014 at 6:08 PM

Blogger Kansas City said...

Modesi/Ventura 1/2? Mondesi seesm so far away.

February 23, 2014 at 6:21 PM

Blogger Jayboid said...

Close to 6 decades old, and 50 watching baseball Rany's article struck (pardon the pun) a nerve. No, I'm not the type of old guy who attacks newness, love 2014 baseball. Heck, just Spring Training is a hoot now.

But.....

Great deal of words about hurt pitchers.

The part about Lamb really set me to thinking.

Somebody explain Warren Spahn 5000 + innings Nolan Ryan fireballing late in career, or any pitcher up to say 25 years ago who tossed massive innings.

For younguns, MLB relief pitchers were generally sore armed former starters. These ole warhorses limped to the mound and well, often were successful. *They hit too.

Without a doubt, they threw in pain. Len Dawson HOF QB Chiefs makes no bones about his later playing time and how he readied himself on game day. Hint.....is there an MD in the house??

Another first hand example, My H.O.F. high school football coach (former QB) pitched for an NBC level team. Early 30s in age. He often coached with a bag of ice on his shoulder, could hardly toss a football, then he'd go out a pitch a 7-8 inning gem on Sunday.

Old time pitchers competitive, yeah, need to earn a living is my guess on why they tossed knowing something wasn't right.

Just wondering, are modern players being taught throwing should be done without pain?

In all the sore arm pitcher chat, the last Royal I can remember who actually destroyed his arm was Roselo. Gil Meche if memory serves did not want to continue, but could have.

I know this will not happen, but wonder what the results would be if somebody just told Lamb (insert any sore armer name), your arm is going to hurt, gut it up.

February 25, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Blogger Jayboid said...

Oh, should have mentioned these guys should not pitch when having actual damage like a rotator cuff, or bone chips.

February 25, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Blogger Michael S. said...

The biggest difference between guys today and in Spahn's day is simple: Money. If Spahn blew out his arm and couldn't pitch it wasn't that big of a deal. His salary wasn't guaranteed so they wouldn't have to pay him one red cent anymore. Spahn was more likely to pitch with pain because that meant a paycheck. These kids today get paid regardless. If Clayton Kershaw blew out his arm in Spring Training and never pitched again he would still get all $215 million the Dodgers signed him for. So if his arm is sore the Dodgers are going to rest it to protect their investment.

February 25, 2014 at 2:46 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not all that concerned about Manaea's hip surgery. My son, a high school junior at the time, had the same hip labrum repair surgery in November of 2012. In February 2013, less than 3 months later, he high jumped 6'6", and in May he won a high jump state championship. By November, he was a first-team all-state soccer player, and last weekend he high jumped 6'11". So hip labrum surgery obviously doesn't have any long term repercussions.

But the loss of velocity ... now, that worries me.

February 26, 2014 at 7:49 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not all that concerned about Manaea's hip surgery. My son, a high school junior at the time, had the same hip labrum repair surgery in November of 2012. In February 2013, less than 3 months later, he high jumped 6'6", and in May he won a high jump state championship. By November, he was a first-team all-state soccer player, and last weekend he high jumped 6'11". So hip labrum surgery obviously doesn't have any long term repercussions.

But the loss of velocity ... now, that worries me.

February 26, 2014 at 7:49 PM

Blogger BobDD said...

Ed, Was it his jumping leg? If so, that's pretty amazing.

February 26, 2014 at 9:45 PM

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