Google apps
Main menu

Post a Comment On: Rany on the Royals

"Turnaround."

16 Comments -

1 – 16 of 16
Anonymous Anonymous said...

my biggest criticism of Dayton Moore is he didn't have the balls to blow up the entire franchise when he took over. Instead, he 'kind of' tried to win. Rather than trading the replacement level guys who were on the major league club to re-stock the minor league system and hope you get lucky with one or two of them, he tried to plug holes where he could and just re-stock the minors through the draft. While eventually that process paid off, when we had the most top 100 prospects it still hasn't paid off for the big club. Conversely teams like the Rays, Pirates, Rangers, Marlins, A's and Astros made the decision to regularly trade their average major leaguers for minor leaguers and have seen success much more rapidly than hanging on to your 'golden' prospects for too long.

June 13, 2014 at 5:04 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

I really don't see how the Moore-Yost era will ever be looked upon as a positive by Royals fans even if the Royals make the playoffs this year. In past blogs Rany has pointed out franchises who achieved success faster and spent less money so I was surprised that he would be so forgiving if the Royals make the playoffs. Doing well after getting in might change my mind some, but just getting and immediately losing. No! The Chiefs have burned me out on that. The future after this year does not look that promising. Hope I'm wrong.

June 13, 2014 at 6:29 PM

Blogger Kansas City said...

Rick and Robert both seem correct to me. Moore made some horrendous moves, Guillen, Jacobs and Yuni, which made no sense whatsover and he has taken a very long time to get the team in contention.

I guess the Royals have had such an awful history that one playoff appearance could be viewed as justifying the trade. I would not agree, because considering the money, the trade was lopsided in favor of Tampa at the time is was made.

June 14, 2014 at 2:00 PM

Comment deleted

This comment has been removed by the author.

June 14, 2014 at 7:12 PM

Blogger John said...

Nothing justifies that trade short of a World Championship for the Royals. I still think they would have made the playoffs last year if they hadn't made it. Davis was so bad as a starter that he negated Shields to a large extent. Playing Francoeur for so long instead of just keeping Myers and playing him negated the rest, and then some. And the Royals still would have had the money they didn't pay Shields to get someone else.

That trade was indefensible. The only way Moore can justify it would be if the Royals won the World Series this year and Shields was the MVP of the Series.

June 14, 2014 at 8:56 PM

Blogger John Viril said...

I was against the trade.

I thought it was a terrible deal. But, yeah. I if the Royals make the playoffs, you have to give it up for Moore.

Right now, the Royals are riding a hot streak and making us all positive. What I want to know is how we'll think when the glow of consecutive victories stops clouding our brains.

June 15, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Blogger Scott McKinney said...

Interesting. Dayton Moore should be judged by the performance of his team today. Is that true of every day, or just June 13, 2014? What about a month ago today? Or a year ago today? Or two years ago today? If “the way the world worked” for Dayton Moore were actually judging him by the performance of his team today, he would have been fired many todays ago.

Long story short, the team is what it is. And we would like for the team to succeed. Is the team more likely to reach the promised land with Dayton Moore or another GM? Dayton Moore is bad at his job. We have 8 years of data which proves that. I’d rather roll the dice with the next guy than continue with a known incompetent. Let the next GM take this team to the next level.

June 16, 2014 at 1:06 PM

Blogger Michael S. said...

Its funny how few comments a positive blog gets, especially when the team is doing well. Put out a "Fire Ned" or "Fire Dayton" blog and you'll get a ton of comments. It just amazes me how negative some Royals fans can be. Enjoy the good times people!! Its been a long time coming!! A win tonight and we lead the division!!!!

June 17, 2014 at 8:16 AM

Blogger unashamedkansascitian said...

The question isn't whether the Shields deal is a win...The question is, why we're we in a position this late in DM's tenure that we had to make an "all-in" kind of move.
Granted, the mess DM inherited was created over decades, spanned a time when Glass, to the immediate detriment of his team, battled MLB's revenue structure, and was a top to bottom problem. That buys DM more time to turn things around than most GM's get.
Trying to be impartial, here's why we were forced "all-in"
1. DM has learned on the job how to be GM. That involves a learning curve, and a lot of earlier moves lacked the vision a more experienced GM would have had.
2. DM (and Glass) had to give fans something each season, and many years, had to give some legitimacy to revenue distribution arguments with other owners. With rare exception, that meant several overpaid, under - producing veterans. Thanks, arguably in part, to Glass's fight to redistribute revenue, rebuilding teams can race for cheap, young talent and rebuild quicker.
3. DM lacked an organizational structure for developing talent. The spotlight has been on the major league hitting coach, but the underlying problems seems to be a lack of qualified minor league instruction, and a lack of a unified, organizational philosophy regarding hitting and pitching.

Moving forward, is DM the right guy? I'm not sure. Maybe he's nothing more than a genius at scouting bullpen arms. But if he is given (and wisely uses) payroll flexibility, a legitimate sabermetric consultant, an organizational coaching philosophy overhaul guru, and just a wee bit more patience by fans, then.......awww, who am I kidding.
Maybe he's just Moses...leading us out of bondage, through the years of wandering in the wilderness, but not the one to actually lead us to the promised land...
But it feems (in a small way) like a victory that Perez, Gordon, Escobar, and Hoz aren't going to be Damon, Dye, Sweeney, and Beltran part II.

June 17, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Blogger Jazzbumpa said...

I don't think you've properly characterized the Tigers' collapse.

Sure, the bull pen had been awful.

But Justin Verlander had been awful. Tonight, Max Scherzer was awful. The only reliable starter is Sanchez.

Defense had been awful.

Hitting/scoring has been awful.

I think the Tigers are actually at a negative run differential for the season after tonight's debacle.

They can't beat anybody except the Red Sox, and they lost the last game against them.

This isn't about offensive weakness at the SS position [a situation which might have been corrected.]

This is about failure to execute in almost every facet of the game. They aren't even fun to watch any more.

Royals are now in undisputed possession of 1st place, at least for a day.

Congrats to your team. Mine has come totally unzipped.

Sadly,
JzB

June 17, 2014 at 10:37 PM

Blogger Jayboid said...

Not sure anybody can explain this team. Reminds me of a NFL team in August.

If the QB does this, the line looks good, the second year running back should do this, the schemes on defense are killer........blah blah blah

Then, either what happened with the Chiefs, or take the Texans. Nothing panned out, everything clicked for the Chiefs.

On paper especially now, the Royals team looks like a winner. Detroit and Cleveland have holes which can not be easily repaired. The Royals just have to keep hitting. Defense and an entire pitching staff, including some proven extra parts as Chen will be there.

but... a few weeks ago they looked so so lame.

Can't be explained.

June 18, 2014 at 1:38 PM

Blogger John said...

OK, who is this team of impostors that stole the Kansas City Royals' uniforms and then started beating the crap out of everyone?

June 18, 2014 at 7:04 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Maybe it was dumb luck on Dayton's part but I'm just glad I don't have to watch six years of Will Francoeur and Jake Davies. The Greinke trade is looking pretty good right now too.

June 19, 2014 at 6:16 AM

Blogger twm said...

Michael S: I think fans all enjoy watching the team win, but I also think many of us, and certainly myself, have trouble projecting this level of success forward. The team looked fringy before the season, then looked less than fringy for a good chunk of the season, and now have looked unbeatable for two weeks. Which is real? How can you jump up and down, screaming "hot damn, we're the best team in baseball" after the last 30 years have beaten all sense of hopefulness out of the fan base? Am I excited that the team is winning? You betcha! Am I enjoying the current hot streak? Of course! Do I expect it continue? Well, now, I don't really know. But you know what I do believe: it is DM's fault that after nine years I still don't know what to expect from his teams.

June 19, 2014 at 8:46 AM

Blogger First Baptist Church, Stephens said...

I have to tell you the real reason for the turnaround. My 6-year-old son Joseph is magic.

In the middle of May, Joseph received an Alex Gordon t-shirt. He connected with Gordon because of the Gordon the Thomas and Friends engine, who is also #4. A couple of days later, Alex Gordon broke out of a slump and hit 2 HR. I showed Joseph the clip, and he decided Gordon is awesome and his favorite player. Since that game, he's basically been the best player in the league, hitting .350 and hitting HR at a 41-HR pace. Then, a couple of Saturdays ago, the Royals were on Fox, and Joseph watched with me. Gordon and Salvador Perez (his second-favorite) both hit HR and the Royals won 8-4. They have not lost since.

June 19, 2014 at 1:18 PM

Blogger Michael S. said...

I've been excited since last year, twm. They won86 games, then shored up their two biggest weaknesses at 2nd and RF. Yes, they lost Santana, but replaced him with Vargas. Ventura was lights out in spring and has carried that into the regular season. They stayed around .500 even with the offense scuffling. You had to know the offense wouldn't be that bad all year.

If you want to look for negatives I'm sure you will find them. Me, I prefer to look for the good and great things this team does. And it keeps getting easier to find them!!

June 20, 2014 at 1:05 PM

You can use some HTML tags, such as <b>, <i>, <a>

This blog does not allow anonymous comments.

Comment moderation has been enabled. All comments must be approved by the blog author.

You will be asked to sign in after submitting your comment.