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"For Want Of A Pitcher: Here We Go Again."

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Blogger Brandan said...

Is there a precedence for a trade like this? This also assumes that the Angels aren't planning on releasing him and then resigning him to a cheaper contract, though it does seem unlikely that you could get Harden back for cheaper after already spending $3.5 million to buy him out.

Who we could trade is also interesting. The Angels would essentially be getting prospects for nothing. They would even be saved the buyout money they would have spent. If we offered Coleman, as you suggested, with a mid tier position player then I don't see why they wouldn't want to make this trade. Harden doesn't have a no trade clause or anything, does he?

October 6, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Blogger Brandan said...

Apologies for Harden*. It autocorrected from Haren without me noticing.

October 6, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Blogger Skeptic said...

Dayton Moore should be willing to trade Hosmer in the right deal. Especially if the Royals can package him in a trade to pry David Price away from Tampa Bay.

We know Hosmer and Moustakas will never sign long term deals with KC. And even though Moustakas slumped late, his defense was spectacular for most of the year.

Billy Butler's no defensive whiz, but he's adequate enough defensively that having him at 1st, and Price in the rotation every 5th day, the Royals would be a much better team.

October 6, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Blogger Kansas City said...

I think the Royals blew it on Guthrie. When they acquired him, he was probably looking at a minor league contract next year and the Royals had what he desparately needed - starts. They gave him the starts for nothing. They should have used the leverage to negotiate something like a $5 Million club option for next year for or for the next two years. Now, they will either lose him or have to overpay to keep him.

October 6, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Blogger The Don said...

What about trading Cain for pitching? Do you think Myers could play CF next year pending a certain RF returning?

October 6, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Blogger The Don said...

What about trading Cain for pitching? Do you think Myers could play CF next year pending a certain RF returning?

October 6, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Blogger Deep Dixie Blue said...

Nice thought but the Angels are not going to make a decision on Haren until they get Greinke re-signed. If they can't do that they will bring Haren back for 2013.

October 7, 2012 at 9:05 AM

Blogger The Professor said...

Rany, we know you mean well, but you're not helping. You know the Royals will do the opposite of whatever you suggest. Please, post some stupid suggestions for a change so the Royals can go in the other direction! Suggest a lifetime contract for Frenchy. Promote the virtues of small-ball. We'll all back you up!

October 7, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Blogger The Professor said...

Rany, we know you mean well, but you're not helping. You know the Royals will do the opposite of whatever you suggest. Please, post some stupid suggestions for a change so the Royals can go in the other direction! Suggest a lifetime contract for Frenchy. Promote the virtues of small-ball. We'll all back you up!

October 7, 2012 at 10:28 AM

Blogger Kansas City said...

I don't see how it makes sense to trade low on Hosmer, Moustakas, Cain or anyone else who did not have a good year in 2012. I suppose it is always possible that you could steal an ascending player or that another team would over value one of our guys, but much more likely, our guys will not have high trade value and will have greater trade value next year.

Myers is in a diffrent category. He may be at all time high trade value and, if the Royals can get a top flight pitcher under control for several years, they probably should reluctantly pull the triggger. Reluctantly because Myers probably will be very good and any pticher could breakdown tomorrow.

Truthfully, I would rather keep Myers and other young studs and seek to find pitchers like Guthrie, i.e., undervalued pitchers available on the cheap through trade or free agency. I'm not certain top line pitchers are worth as much as conventional wisdom suggests. The Angels were 7and 6 in games started by Greinke. I konw small sample size. but the bottom line is that one of the best pitchers in baseball did not help the Angels.

October 7, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Blogger Struggling to Cope said...

Interesting that Rany essentially ignored the Tommy John guys. I think that's what the Royals SHOULD do, but I'm afraid they'll use those guys as an excuse to do less with the starting pitching.

October 7, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rany, again, as always, great insight.

I can't believe Guthrie is not already signed. He has said he wants to be here. And I agree with you it would be foolish to over pay, but this is another disjointed move by the front office.

If things came down just as you said, which I know they won't, but if they did would there be enough money left to take a flyer on BJ Upton? If they resigned Guthrie and got Haren, another bat wouldn't hurt. If they could improve at an outfield position or at second base I think they should try. All indications are that they won't but when have they ever told the truth to the media?

If they could get Sanchez or one of the top free agent pitchers, I think they should, but to get another retread just to have a body would be a waste. If they had Haren, Guthrie, Mendoza and Chen, I would be willing to give the last spot to one of Odorizzi, Ventura, Montgomery or Crow. I agree on Odorizzi that another couple of months wouldn't hurt, but sometimes you just have to throw them out there and see what they can do. Is it possible that they waited to long on Montgomery and destroyed his psyche such that he has regressed? An opportunity and some success could have done a lot of good for him. We will never know, but something to think about. As the devil's advocate, if his psyche couldn't handle what he has gone through, there is no reason to think he would have held up facing big league hitters. Food for thought.

I am fairly optimistic for next year. Not nearly as optimistic as I would have been though if Yost had been fired and Francona was in KC and not in Cleveland.

October 7, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Blogger Steve N said...

Any chance that the Royals resign Hochevar (seems like a sure thing to me) and use him in the pen? Would his skill convert well?

October 8, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Rany loves Mendoza now. He's such an expert:

"That’s what happened to Mendoza in 2007. In 2008, the Rangers felt the full wrath of regression to the mean. I would prefer that didn’t happen to the Royals in 2012."

"Unfortunately, with Mendoza out of options and the Royals hell-bent on seeing what they have, he’s next in line if someone gets hurt or if Felipe Paulino and/or Danny Duffy struggle. "

"Because I suspect all he’ll prove is that 2011 was a fluke, and I’d rather that he supply his proof without costing the Royals two or three wins in the process."

"I’m not rooting for him to fail. But I’m not expecting him to succeed either."

These two quotes say it all:

"I have no idea what this means. I have no idea if this is sustainable."

"Maybe he added a pitch, or subtly adjusted an old one. I don’t know."

Rany is king of "after the fact"..

October 8, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

He also caveats his analysis of Mendoza by claiming he magically learned to throw a cutter at the end of June. Is there any proof of this, or is Rany just making more stuff up?

BTW, is Raul Ibanez qualified to hold a bat in the Major Leagues yet? Rob & Rany sure the hell didn't think so..

October 8, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Blogger et tu fruite said...

unknown 254/529 (same guy no doubt) must be Dr. Thunder from Royalboard. Guy lives to take shots at Rany. Pathetic life if you ask me

October 8, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Don't know who you're talking about, but there's pretty clearly more than one person who knows that Rany's after-the-fact "analysis" is pretty worthless. Try again.

October 8, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Blogger Rogers Write said...

I agree with your basic assumptions regarding Chen, Mendoza, and Smith. Handled correctly, Odorizzi can be our #1 starter. That does mean not rushing him along. Your growth curve through the levels is worth paying attention to. He may not be ready for the Bigs until next August. And even then not just thrown to the wolves against the top hitting lineups immediately. I see getting Guthrie signed for 2 yrs as the first priority. Then let Hoch go. Enough is enough. After that, if Haren can be had for a reliever other that Holland or Crowe, I’d make that deal. But only if Haren’s agent would up front commit to maybe a 4 yr/50M deal. Zack might even sniff at that offer. We need to lock up our top starters, including Jake O, long term to establish a solid foundation. A one year Haren deal won’t do. Shooting in the dark over the long run gets you nowhere. We got lucky with Guthrie, but you can’t count on that luck holding consistently. Duffy and Paulino will likely be strong 3-4 guys next year. I would package Soria and Cain in the right deal. We’ve got Dyson, and Starling is on the horizon. Only Alex, BB, Myers, Salvy & Escobar are unavailable. Due to his shifty agent, I’d reluctantly trade Hoz, but his value is down due to his underperforming. I’m OK with keeping Frenchy on the bench. Few top teams are interested in prospects. And we’ve got enough of them. Your sucker analogy is highly accurate. But, were I Mr. Moore, I’d give Mr. Wren a call and see if we could help each other out. The Braves could use a 3B. We’ve got a good young power hitting one we probably can’t afford. They are overloaded with promising young starters. I’m listening…

October 9, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Blogger Michael said...

According to MLB Trade Rumors, Anibal Sanchez and Kyle Lohse are the Royals top targets in free agency. I'm not so intrigued by Lohse, but Sanchez does make me happy. Lohse would definitely be an upgrade though.

October 10, 2012 at 7:28 AM

Blogger m.c.antil said...

I truly love Rany's stuff. The Royals have become my "next great thing" to follow in baseball, and I'm jazzed about their future.

Four years ago my "next great thing" was the Rangers, but Nolan Ryan has done his best to make make me want to root against that club. (In fact, check out my blog post yesterday on how he's brought all sort of bsd baseball juju raining down on his team and incurred the wrath of the baseball gods: http://mcantil.com/nolan-ryan-runs-afoul-of-the-baseball-gods/)

But that said, I really think two things: One, Greinke, regardless of the fact that Moore will not have all that much money to give him, will be a Royal next year. And two Mendoza and one of the kids will turn out to be a 12-14 game winners. Yes, the Royals still need a horse to anchor the rotation (even with Greinke). But they're a lot closer to a divisional title, especially in that division, than anyone seems to realize.

October 10, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Blogger John said...

I suggested something on a Red Sox board about a deal that might help both them and the Royals get some of what they need, especially if they do want to get Greinke back or sign some other good FA pitcher.

Frenchy is a sunk cost, and Butler is expendable with Myers ready to play in the majors. But if K.C. could get the Red Sox, who need a first baseman and have lots of cash to pay for one, to take both of them, you've got another $23 million to spend on pitching.

October 10, 2012 at 6:00 PM

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