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"YUUUUUUU-NOOOOOOO!"

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Blogger Unknown said...

"The only other Royal on the 40-man roster who has ever played a game at third base is Getz"

And Alex Gordon, right? (I am NOT advocating that Gordon should ever be moved back to the infield -- but if the other option is Yuni, what do you do?)

December 28, 2011 at 4:32 AM

Blogger sedated ape said...

I don't know why they didn't make Falu the back up. He's cheaper, hit .300 in the minors and can run. I've seen him play several times in AA and he looked compentent enough at SS. I don't think he's projects as a starter in the majors (no power to speak of) but I think he deserves a chance to be on the roster. At the very least the evil we don't know is better than the evil we saw in 2010

December 28, 2011 at 4:46 AM

Blogger Steve N said...

Great article. A couple flat out laugh out loud lines. That's probably the best way to deal with YuBe disease.

December 28, 2011 at 4:48 AM

Blogger Michael said...

My first thought when I saw this transaction was "Why Dayton? Why???" Second was "Haven't Royals fans suffered enough?"

Bottom line though, its not franchise killing, nor is it season killing. Now, if it ends up that he has anything north of 250 PA's, then our season is dead.

December 28, 2011 at 7:42 AM

Blogger sedek said...

Two points, Yuni supposedly was a 2nd baseman in Cuba and Alex Gordon, on the 40 man roster, has had a couple of starts at 3rd in his career.

Personally, I would have given Irving Falu a shot, as he played three infield positions plus left field last year in Omaha. He's cheap and has been a good soldier for the organization and deserved it.

December 28, 2011 at 8:21 AM

Blogger WSPA said...

I don't think people are having such a strong reaction to the move in a vacuum. It's just that we got rid of him, and now he's back. It's like getting rid of an STD and then re-acquiring it on purpose.

December 28, 2011 at 9:52 AM

Blogger Judd Choate said...

I'm disappointed it wasn't a multi-year contract. At least that way the Royals could get Yuni's true decline years.

December 28, 2011 at 9:59 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

Yuni is over-paid, that's all. He's making about 1 million more than he should be. The Royals could have saved 1.5 - 2 million and brought up Irving Falu. Probably a better baseball team with Falu than with Yuni. I also think it's better for an organization to promote guys to the big leagues for precisely these kind of roles, guys that have been with the organization for a long time in the minors.

December 28, 2011 at 12:21 PM

Blogger McGoldencrown said...

your best article of the off-season.

December 28, 2011 at 3:43 PM

Blogger Aaron said...

I couldn't read past the part where Rany says:

"I would have more sympathy for that position if, you know, Betancourt hadn’t just been the starting shortstop for the Milwaukee Brewers, who won the NL Central and came within two games of the World Series."

Can a team win with a crappy player? The answer is of course, yes. Can a team do better without said crappy player? Without a doubt. Just the change from Alcides to Yuni was worth an extra 1.5 wins to the Royals, and -1.5 to the Brewers (leaving the other parts of the trade out). Had the division race been closer, Yuni's presence may have kept them from winning the division.

I'm guessing Yuni sees action in 3 or more games per week, which comes out to over 300 PAs (once for Escobar, once for Moose, once for Gio/Getz, hell he'll probably be starting at 2nd by midseason if Gio hits a slump). If that comes to pass, are you still going to ignore the incompetence?

December 28, 2011 at 4:12 PM

Blogger Michael said...

Aaron, read the whole article then. Basically, Rany's stance comes down to "It's a bad move, but not as bad as some people make it out to be."

December 28, 2011 at 5:10 PM

Blogger StJohn said...

My main problem with the Yuni signing was that I thought we could have had Jeff Keppinger for the same or less money.

Keppinger would have given a legit competition to Gio at 2B and still play a competent SS and 3B. Not to mention the additional skills he would have given off the bench. The only thing Yuni has on him is power.

December 28, 2011 at 8:33 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The difference between Renteria & Betancourt is -- Renteria would never watch a ball drop in front of his face like Betancourt did vs Texas in early May 2010. Never. That's why Reneteria wouldn't have been a bad signing. Yet, the Royals sign a veteran (Betancourt) whose awful plate discipline will HOPEFULLY not rub off on the young crop of future KC greats.

December 28, 2011 at 9:30 PM

Blogger Jayboid said...

My first thought was why not Getz, then I remembered the SS position.

Then I thought, how about Colon? Which I still believe is the best choice. Defense first, hitting later.

December 29, 2011 at 7:35 AM

Blogger Tampa Mike said...

I just don't see the Royals paying Yuni $2 million to play the Maier role. I think Yuni will play A LOT more than people are expecting. This is just a horrible move. I just don't see him as a good utility player. I don't know if this is Dayton being stubborn and trying to prove himself right or what....

December 29, 2011 at 10:57 AM

Blogger tookee said...

When I saw the move, I couldn't wait for you to weigh in, Rany.

The better call would have been Keppinger, who likely is holding out for two+ years or more. I'm not stressed about Yuni because I think the young starters will log 95% of the time at the positions (and I think giovetella is clearly better than Yuni and will play).

I also think Yuni was stretched as a starter and may blossom as a reserve with the less pressing day-to-day physical demands (don't think I endorse the signing here, just putting it in the right perspective, I hope).

Terrific post. I'm hoping Dayton was just distracted by trying to find a front-line starter and went for the first recognizable name in front of him.

December 29, 2011 at 11:19 AM

Blogger MSUngaKC1 said...

Rany, I think you nailed my feelings on the signing. I remember hearing the news and thinking "oh crap ... well, if they pay him 3/4 million $ and he gets 125 AB's, I can live with it" Then I found out it was $2 mill or more and I started to get sick.

One thing; I think you danced around the fact that Vizquel was a very good defensive SS and Renteria a decent SS before they both became utility players and backed-up 3rd and 2nd. I'm thinking that a horrible SS like Betancourt stands a lesser chance of converting to a decent back-up 3rd or 2nd baseman. Well, now we get to find out!

December 29, 2011 at 3:22 PM

Blogger ScottM said...

TampaMike hit on what I think Will McDonald was referring to in his tweet:

"I don't know if this is Dayton being stubborn and trying to prove himself right or what...."

This reeks of DM being stubborn, and trying to prove that he is (or at least was) smarter (right) than everyone about Yuni.

Also a signing like this just fuels frustration from the fans. Most of the vocal (at least on the internet) fans have embraced Kansas' own Bill James and the Sabermetric community. The organization is (and has been for 25+ years) seemingly giving us all the metaphorical middle finger with players like: Franceour, Yuni, or even CoCo Crisp.

December 30, 2011 at 6:56 AM

Blogger Rogers Write said...

Excellent piece- especially the Moustakas litter squadron reference. I don't like this move, firstly because the price was too high but also because it signals that we don't have any middle infielder talent in the organization worthy of giving a shot for some ML playing time. Are we really only one deep in the infield (other than 1B)? With all of the high draft picks we've had in the Moore era, you'd think there ought to be another quality infielder worthy of the opportunity. Re-signing Betancourt was a step backward. Royals fans were so glad he was traded and couldn't believe anyone would take him- much less a contending team. I was glad to see him do well for the Brew Crew but I didn't want him back. I do hope it is another Frenchy or Cabrera-like move, but my hopes aren't very high. I have a sneaky suspicion that Alcides Escobar's name came up in a lot of trade talks by other teams needing a shorstop and Dayton wouldn't let him go and instead signed Yunel thinking the next time those guys call me I'll have a shortstop to throw into the deal to get a No. 1 starter. If it does turn out that way, this signing would all of a sudden make a lot sense. Collecting trading pieces?? Let's hope so.

December 30, 2011 at 12:29 PM

Blogger McGoldencrown said...

ScottM, How is the Organization giving the fans of Kansas City the metaphorical middle finger by signing Jeff Francoeur? He signed a one yr contract for 2.5 mil, had 71 xtra base hits, a 119 OPS+ and by all accounts was one of the best FA value signings in baseball last year.

Even if you don't like the extension, if he puts up similar #s the next couple years it will still be a bargain and you can't just assume he will regress.

First off, it hasn't happened yet, secondly he will still in his 20s when the contract ends and since you were obviously way off in your expectations for him last year, your opinion on him as a player lacks credibility.

You know who else was one of the best FA values in baseball last year? Melky Cabrera (1.25 mil, 2.9 bWAR)

You know who else was one of the best FA values in baseball last year? Bruce Chen (2 mil, 2.6 bWAR)

Maybe Dayton was just specifically flipping YOU off (metaphorically of course). I wouldn't blame him for that.

December 31, 2011 at 2:09 AM

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January 1, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I like this signing. Every year Royals fans need somebody to hate and take their frustrations out on and Yuni was the guy for a couple of years. There were better players to sign as a backup but Yuni is an experienced ball player that could start if one of the young guys falls flat or gets injured. Yuni was the starting shortstop for a team that won their division. This move was made with the expectation of competing this year and you need quality depth to do so.

January 1, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Blogger Antonio. said...

Where is this quality depth?

January 2, 2012 at 12:00 AM

Blogger ScottM said...

@McGoldenCrown-There is no denying that this years crop of FA's panned out well. However that is sort of cherry picking the results you like about what DM has done is it not? But that is not what the middle finger comment was about at all.

That comment was about his total disregard to the "Holy Grail" of Sabermetrics: OBP. DM's track record as GM is of saying he values it (and its precursor of pitches/PA), and then acquiring guys that do not fit that mold at all. At the major league level, he has brought in at least 4 of the worst 10 offenders (Mike Jacobs, Jose Guillen, Jeff Franceour, and Yuni).

January 2, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Blogger McGoldencrown said...

OK Scott, how bout instead of you bitching about how poorly the KC org is treating you as a fan, why don't you propose what you think they should have done instead? Dayton wanted to sign Edgar before Yuni, but he didn't want to play here, so that's out.

...I will preemptively add the if you suggest Irving Falu, than the extent of my further participation in this exchange will be terminated.

January 4, 2012 at 3:27 AM

Blogger Michael said...

I will readily admit I would rather they sign no one for the utility role and let Falu and Getz perform the role for less total money than what Yuni is getting in guaranteed money.

I would rather us give a guy like Falu a shot rather than pay good money to someone who we know sucks.

January 4, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Blogger ScottM said...

McGolden, you want a list of guys here goes (and yes it will include Falu):

Ronny Cedeno, Jeff Keppinger, Felipe Lopez, Orlando Cabrera, Craig Counsell, Ryan Theriot, and pretty much anyone not Yuniesky Betancourt with SS experience.

The fact of the matter is that the "best farm system ever" has to have some one in it that can man SS if need be. Heck they traded Yamicio Navarro who was a better player. They released Jeff Bianchi who could at least field SS decently.

And now for the infamous Irving Falu, at least he would only be making MLB rookie minimum. Not to mention that I bet he would give you every bit as much WAR (whichever one you want to use) as Betancourt.

As an aside on Navarro, I honestly think that DM dealt him as a precursor to acquiring players from the Braves (namely Prado and Jurrijens), but the Braves wanted way too much. For it to be way too much for him I am guessing that it was Cain, Myers, AND one of the higher level high ceiling arms (Odorizzi, Montgomery or Duffy).

January 4, 2012 at 3:50 PM

Blogger McGoldencrown said...

Yeah, 41 yr old Craig Counsell and his, .178/.280/.223 line and 39 OPS+ would have been a better option. Your too smart for me. I'm out of this discussion.

January 4, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Blogger Antonio. said...

You are out after poking a hole in one of his candidates?

January 5, 2012 at 12:26 AM

Blogger Michael said...

What about the other six or so guys he mentioned? You can't honestly tell us that Yuni is the best option out of those guys can you?

January 5, 2012 at 5:45 AM

Blogger McGoldencrown said...

I would have liked Edgar Renteria, but he didn’t want to play here.

I would have preferred Jeff Keppinger, but he was still under SF control at the time and word is he likes the NL. He also made MORE than Yuni last year in the same role.

Ronny Cedeno? He is a considerably worse hitter than Yuni and an avg fielder at best, so I don’t think that can be called a clear upgrade.

Felipe Lopez? He had a .523 OPS last yr and has never been a particularly good fielder (career -4.4 dWAR per bRef).

Ryan Theriot? I would have preferred him as well, but he isn’t any kind of def wiz, hasn’t been the same off player since ’09, and considering he had 442 ab for the WS winner and made 3.3 mil last yr, I highly doubt he would have been willing to come to the AL in a util role for KC.

Nick Punto? I would have liked him as well, but why would he choose KC over Boston? He wouldn’t and didn’t.

Orlando Cabrera? Please, 37 yrs old, .510 OPS last yr.

Craig Counsell? PLEASE! 41, .503 OPS.

Yamico? Moore hated his attitude.

Irving Falu? No way. Career minor leaguer for a reason.

Jeff Bianchi? See Irving Falu.

January 13, 2012 at 1:37 PM

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