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"My Winter Meetings Dream."

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Blogger Unknown said...

I'm convinced.

December 4, 2010 at 11:33 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

I only read 3874 words, so unless the ones I skipped tell a different story, I couldn't agree more. Also, kids need an everyday player besides fatboy BB to see at the park. These kids have to have someone while we wait for the younsters to get here.

December 4, 2010 at 11:35 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm convinced too.

December 4, 2010 at 11:56 PM

Blogger Al said...

Crawford has no interest in KC, and others can pay him more, if they had to.

December 5, 2010 at 12:07 AM

Blogger Tim said...

I went from laughing at the idea of signing Crawford to preparing myself to be massively disappointed when we don't. #youdidtoogoodofajobconvincingme

December 5, 2010 at 12:07 AM

Blogger Kevin said...

Now I'm going to be disappointed if the Royals don't sign Crawford.

December 5, 2010 at 12:41 AM

Blogger Nathan said...

This is really well argued. Especially the idea of getting Greinke to re-sign through a domino effect. Can any team in baseball say they have two star talents like Greinke and Crawford, additional MLB pieces with more potential than Butler and Gordon, as well as an elite farm system?

December 5, 2010 at 3:35 AM

Blogger Nathan Lurz said...

Damn it. I was going in with no expectations for these Winter Meetings. Now I'll be massively disappointed if we don't make some moves....Hell of an post.

December 5, 2010 at 7:06 AM

Blogger Michael said...

When will we get a post about what might actually happen at the Winter Meetings? Cause honestly, there is no way we get Crawford. Even if we offer that much money, he won't sign here. He's been through one rebuilding project in Tampa, and I'm sure he doesn't want to go through another one here.

December 5, 2010 at 8:15 AM

Blogger Holden Cornfield said...

Great work, Rany. You almost had me convinced...until I woke up. Nice dream, tho.

December 5, 2010 at 8:17 AM

Blogger Andrew Winkel said...

Interesting topic. Well written. Sound reasoning. The only problem is that this is complete fantasy. Why in the world would Crawford even consider signing here? Fun to daydream though...

December 5, 2010 at 8:19 AM

Blogger Venu said...

I remember hearing about I-Rod signing with Detroit after the Tigers' disastrous 2003 season and wondering WHY he would do such a thing. He said something along the lines of looking at the upcoming talent, and the $$ did not hurt. Maybe Crawford could be convinced in the same way???

December 5, 2010 at 10:48 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

C'mon Glass do it.

The payroll will be 85 next season but probably less than 50 for three years after that. You are going to make a lot of money.

Take a chance. Live a little.

December 5, 2010 at 11:09 AM

Blogger Adam said...

Crawford's #1 comp through age 28, according to B-R: Roberto Clemente. And check out what Clemente did in his 30s. He was a monster.

December 5, 2010 at 11:17 AM

Blogger BrettFan1 said...

Nice article. I have a hard team believing Crawford could be convinced to sign, but I think it would be worth a try. Another way to pare salary over the next two years to facilitate this move would be to trade Butler. He is essentially the antithesis of Crawford, no defensive value, terrible fit for the ballpark, bad body that won't age well. If we trade him now before he gets expensive in arb, we could address some areas of need/depth (middle infield, catcher, corner outfield). I think between Ka'aihue, Robinson, Betemit and a pick'em of RHB DH/1B types that should be available for peanuts, we can cover 1B/DH adequately and cheaply.

December 5, 2010 at 11:32 AM

Blogger Sean said...

Very convincing-- like many others, I went in thinking "yeah, right", and left thinking "maybe..."

But there are a couple of counter-arguments that I don't think you address well.

One, I think another team will be willing to outbid KC, even at 7x$19M, since other GMs are smart enough to see how valuable Crawford is in this free agent environment.

Two, from what I've heard, Wil Myers is probably going to have to move out from behind the plate sooner rather than later. Where will you put him if you have Crawford in left, Gordon in right, and Hosmer at first? Do you trade one of the cheap players to accommodate the expensive one just because there aren't any better expensive players out there? Or do you stick with Myers at C and cross your fingers hoping he can avoid embarrassing himself there?

December 5, 2010 at 11:49 AM

Blogger flan said...

Again, Rany, you've hit a nail squarely on the head. This would be an inspirational move by the Royals and would really jumpstart the hoped for Royals resurgence over the next several seasons. I actually believe an aggressive, persuasive GM could get Crawford to take a serious look at the years and money you suggest. Unfortunately, I don't think Moore is that GM (or Glass the owner to facilitate the inspiration).

December 5, 2010 at 12:42 PM

Blogger Nathan said...

Sean,

Your thinking probably tracks with a lot of fans, but I suspect it is too optimistic. Consider the three players Hosmer, Myers and Gordon. Do they all have star potential? Sure. Is it likely that all three becomes stars? Not a bit. It's actually quite unlikely that the Royals will run out of room for Crawford. And if we do happen to catch lightning in a bottle, we can always sell it. :)

December 5, 2010 at 2:56 PM

Blogger Andrew said...

Given the Werth deal (7 years, $126MM), I think Crawford's asking price just went up to 8/175.

December 5, 2010 at 4:46 PM

Blogger Kyle said...

I think this would be a great thing for the Royals. There is probably no chance it happens, but 7 or 8 years at 18-20 mil per year could do it. I think Greinke is probably gone after Lee signs, but maybe he decides he wants to stay if they can get a guy like Crawford.

I don't think there would be any worry about keeping Crawford in the lineup. Gordon has done nothing to prove himself, but I do think that Myers and Hosmer could come up and push things around. Heck Gordon might be gone in a trade with Greinke.

December 5, 2010 at 6:12 PM

Blogger Buck said...

Rany -

This has been my dream move for the Royals for the last 2 years. I think he'd be a great fit for the team, would add some veteran leadership to the clubhouse, and would appreciate the historical element of the Monarchs. As an added element, he did once commit to play football at Nebraska, so it's not like he's afraid of the weather or anything. Thanks for giving some me some much-needed hope on this December evening.

December 5, 2010 at 8:11 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

First of all, Rany - love the Untouchables reference.

Second - signing Crawford as a free agent is a very nice idea. But how does that compare, value-wise, with trading some of our many prospects for Justin Upton (aside from the slim likelihood of either event happening)?

December 5, 2010 at 9:22 PM

Blogger 28 years and counting said...

God I wish this were even remotely possible!

December 5, 2010 at 11:14 PM

Blogger Danny said...

I, like everyone else, am sad that I read this because I went from a skeptic to a believer. The big problem is that this will not happen. The Royals won't offer, and even if they did, CC would probably rebuff it. It is more likely that the Royals overpay for a contract on Francouer.

To make myself feel better, I will note the obvious downside to CC. The majority of his game is based on speed, which will continue to fall off more and more. His slugging numbers, his defense, his stolen bases...all are speed based, and those numbers will decline as the Royals improve (fingers crossed). That said, I am still sold. Damn you, Rany. Damn you and your handsome, handsome words.

December 6, 2010 at 12:20 AM

Blogger sluggerrr said...

I couldn't agree more. It was only a few years ago that Dayton thought that he had Torii Hunter in the bag, at something like $17MM per, although I can't recall the years- only to have the Angels swoop in at the last minute and bump his bid. So we know that he likes and is willing to pay power/speed/defensive dynamo outfielders from the mid-south. He just needs to be the sniper this time.

December 6, 2010 at 2:18 AM

Blogger sluggerrr said...

I've also wondered why he never played center. I assume it was just because Rocco Baldelli was there when Crawford came up, and then Crawford was already in left when the Rays decided to move Upton to center. But I don't see why he couldn't. And I think you'd get more value from him there.

December 6, 2010 at 2:27 AM

Blogger kcghost said...

The Jason Werth signing leaves this idea as a mere pipe dream. If the Nats are willing to give that kind of money for a players age 32-38 seasons then someone will give more for Crawfords age 30-36 seasons.

I suppose the idea was worth considering. After all it would be nice to have a defender who didn't think batted baseballs were radioactive.

December 6, 2010 at 8:58 AM

Blogger baseballben said...

FYI STATS doesn't do the Fielding Bible Awards. It's Baseball Info Solutions/John Dewan.

December 6, 2010 at 10:38 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like 10 years, approaching $200 is going to be the ceiling here. So you have to wonder how that affects the 2019 youth movement too.

December 6, 2010 at 12:44 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

As has been mentioned, I think the prospects of this actually happening went vastly down when Werth signed that ridiculous contract with the Nats. I am sure Crawford's agent about wet himself in glee when he saw that contract come through.

December 6, 2010 at 2:09 PM

Blogger Pogue009 said...

I like the idea of working a three way that trades Soria and or Grienke for prospects and netting Andrew McCutchen from the Pirates.

McC is a younger and cheaper version of Crawford adding a plus bat to one of the premier defensive positions, and would allow future flexibility in extending any of the prospects that reach their potential ala Tulowitzki and Longoria.

Soria should absolutely be traded in the next two seasons, if two months of Dotel can fetch the Pirates two of the Dodgers 2009 top 5 prospects, imagine what the best closer in baseball on a team friendly contract could bring.

December 6, 2010 at 2:58 PM

Blogger drewfuss said...

Given the Werth deal, Upton might be the better value (prospects, not cash), but would probably require the Dbacks to blink regarding the number/quality of the prospects.

December 6, 2010 at 6:07 PM

Blogger Mark said...

I want what you're smoking. Nice dream, Rany, but come on--after we finally get rid of Guillen, you want to tie up even more money, for a longer period, in one player?

Travis Snider looks a lot better to me. I'd like to keep Greinke, but if we can get Drabek AND Snider, plus a midlevel prospect, that's a no brainer. Then you even have enough money to overpay for Frenchie, and to get a good player, shorter term.

December 6, 2010 at 9:37 PM

Blogger ScottM said...

Rany,

It was nice while the pipe dream lasted. EFFING Scott Bora$$ sticks it to the Royals again without even being in on a possible deal. The Werth deal sealed any possibility of a "reasonable" contract for Crawford.

December 7, 2010 at 8:18 AM

Blogger twm said...

I love it!

Adding my own fantasy, the Royals also trade Greinke to the Yankees for Montero and Gardner and some others (I know nothing about NY's farm system outside of Montero).

Beginning in 2011 we have a much better defensive outfield, a much better team on the basepaths, and a bona fide masher in development for DH.

Maybe two years from now we round out the outfield with either Hosmer or Myers in RF. Moose at 3B, Hosmer or Butler or Kila at 1B; all the sudden we look like a team that can score runs. And we have maybe some surplus to trade for pitching upgrades to finish off our Montgomery-Duffy-Crow-Lamb rotation. Or maybe we finally find a decent solution at SS, maybe even a defense-first guy because of our ridiculous onslaught of offense.

Anyway, I rarely daydream about the Royals because it is just too painful, but this fantasy world makes me drool a bit.

Of course, watching Greinke pitch for the Yankees would break my heart into tiny little pieces. Unless he did something amazing like finishing his contract with NY and then signing a monster contract to play in Tampa (not that they can afford him -- okay, how about he signs with the Mets; or maybe he goes to the Dodgers).

December 7, 2010 at 9:14 AM

Blogger twm said...

Mark: Drabek and Snider leave me unimpressed. Drabek isn't nearly so valuable a prospect as Perez, who the Rangers could offer (though maybe they are not offering him, as reports are that DM is tiring of the Rangers' offers). And Snider isn't nearly so good as Montero. Plus Toronto's secondary prospects to include in any trade are not as interesting as what Texas could offer (again, I know nothing about NY's farm system).

Bottom line, if Greinke ends up in Toronto for Drabek and Snider and others, I will be disappointed; no, scratch that, I will be angry.

December 7, 2010 at 9:19 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

Crawford and the Royals would be a great marriage, but as others have said, the Werth deals puts CC at 7/180. If the Royals can get a package like Drabek and Snider, I say the Royals pass on big $$$ FA this year, and see what might be available at the trade deadline. Obviously, the Royals have the prpospects to lure away a corner outfielder from a team that is out of contention.

December 7, 2010 at 9:22 AM

Blogger twm said...

Why is everyone suddenly on Drabek's jock? Scouts disagree, but most of what I have read suggests that he is a mid-rotation prospect with the upside of being a #2 guy. Perez and Holland in Texas are both considered #2/#1 prospects with the upside of being ace-quality pitchers.

Bill Smith has said that he would only trade Greinke if he could get Two Greinkes in return. Well, it hardly seems likely, but if the Royals could get both Perez and Holland, that is probably as close as they will come to two Greinkes.

December 7, 2010 at 11:06 AM

Blogger George said...

TWM - Hate to correct you, but its Bill James (not Smith) and Drabek was the #25 prospect going into the season (according to Baseball America). He lost his last-3 starts at AA New Hampshire, but is still considered to be the Jays top prospect (Baseball America). I think the Royals are also looking to get a bat and Travis Snider would be huge (Jays top prospect the past-2 years). If you look at the recent rumors involving the Rangers, it has us wanting SS Profar and OF Beltre. That said, I think the 2 Greinke's you're mentioning from the Rangers are Perez and Scheppers (not Holland). Personally, I feel like we have plenty of pitching depth in the minors and would rather take Snider/Drabek i/o Perez/Scheppers. Not sold on the Profar/Beltre deal because I think you have to get at least one arm back.

December 7, 2010 at 1:42 PM

Blogger George said...

Sorry, one more thing, TWM...

Unfortunately, Montero and Perez are not on the same team. So while Montero might be superior to Snider and Perez superior to Drabek (although its debatable), getting a package of both guys (and others) is a pretty good haul for Greinke if you ask me. The Royals see Hosmer at 1B, and Moose at 3B, so we will still need help in the OF (other than Myers).

December 7, 2010 at 1:47 PM

Blogger twm said...

George: Yes, I meant Bill James; thank you.

No, I meant Holland. Scheppers is a quality prospect, but Holland, even though no longer a rookie, is probably still a better talent.

Sure, Drabek is considered Toronto's best prospect, but that means little to me. For instance, I wouldn't trade Greinke for the Mets' top four prospects.

And tough Drabek ranked #25 for Baseball America entering 2010, I doubt he will be that high next season. Also, Keith Law didn't like Drabek so much before the 2010 season, ranking him 40th on his top 100 list.

As for Montero and Perez, they were numbers 4 and 17 on Baseball America's list, and 10 and 7 on Keith Law's.

There is broader consensus regarding Montero and Perez than Drabek. Both would be better top gets to headline a deal than Drabek, which is why I mentioned that both Montero and Perez are better than any single piece that Toronto is offering. Pair Montero with Brett Gardner and you have a better deal than Drabek and Snider; pair Perez with Holland or Scheppers or Profar and you also have a better deal. So while Montero and Perez are in different organizations, I still feel that a deal for either one of them (plus others, of course) would bring better return than the Drabek/Snider combo.

December 7, 2010 at 2:28 PM

Blogger deaner66 said...

You're high.

Just when this organisation is finally heading in the right direction, you want to hang a golden contract around the team's neck for Carl Crawford?

Really?

We have many exciting unproven players that are ready to hatch.

CC is a fine player, but he is not worth 17 to 20 million dollars a year. No way. For that kind of scratch your man needs to be a premier power hitter. Preferably, one who either has low strikeouts or a high on-base percentage. His speed and defense are great, but not worth the money he will get.

So what if you think next year's crop of free-agents might not be as good. This team has forever gotten it wrong by not being patient.

Now is not the time to blow a huge hole in the future payroll when so much talent is waiting in the wings.

There are no guarantees. That talent might flop. CC could never again be as good as he is now. But I definitely like our chances with our farm system, and the way it--FINALLY--is being run.

I think we need to use our risk with our unproven players. Let's see what we have with them before we blast our payroll away with a mega-expensive free-agent.

December 8, 2010 at 10:41 PM

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