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"Defending the Tenth"

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Blogger Old Man Duggan said...

Personally, I think you've got a point. But I'm not nearly the pessimist that someone like Rob Neyer is. Keep on truckin', you've got big mo' on your side.

March 20, 2008 at 2:12 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

I was wondering why I liked you blog better than the old Rob & Rany. Thanks for reminding me.

March 20, 2008 at 2:41 AM

Blogger K.C.Tigerfan said...

I moved to K.C. from Detroit a few years ago, before the Tigers started turning things around. I had the distinct pleasure of rooting for two lousy teams (Detroit, my first love; and the Royals, my mistress) at the same time. I now feel an awakening in K.C. which reminds me of the awakening in Detroit. The parallels are amazing - signing that one free agent for over market value that signals a change in spending habits (Pudge/Meche)and gets other free agents to take ntoice; signign a young stud outfielder the next year (Magglio Ordonez/Carlos Guillen) the owners starting to cede control to a smart, tireless GM (Dombrowski/Moore). I just hope that the Royals keep thse young, power hitting outfielders, because I can easily see Guillen getting hurt and missing much of the year, jus tlike Maggs did in Detroit his first year. It would be better to give some extended P.T. to Huber, Maier or that career minor leaguer (can't remember his name) for a month at a time and see what happens. Then, if Guillen comes back strong in 2009, we have actually developed (maybe) a young power hitter to compliment him. Maggs getting hurt in his first year in Detroit led to the development of Granderson, who prior to that time couldn't even beat out Nook Logan for P.T.

March 20, 2008 at 9:30 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"But the reality is that they’re competing for one playoff spot, the AL Central title, which puts their odds at a still-acceptable 20%. And the great thing is, no matter how many games the Yankees and Red Sox win, they can’t reduce those odds any further."

The lack of a cap (and floor) has done much to kill baseball in Toronto, Baltimore and Tampa Bay, though.

March 20, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Blogger Robb said...

(Er, and I should also add that even though I have no connection to the Royals, I am loving your site. This is great, well-written and thoughtful stuff.)

March 20, 2008 at 2:38 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just a nitpick. The Twins did offer Santana 5yrs/$100 million but Santana wanted the 6th and 7th years.

Good read. I still miss the old Rob & Rany. It got the feel of two old friends arguing over beer.

March 20, 2008 at 3:46 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rany, I really, truly hope you're right. I fear you are not.

March 20, 2008 at 5:11 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

A multi-year contract is a compromise between full-market rates per year, which tend to increase, and injury/slump risk, which reduces what you can get the next year. It only makes sense for the Royals to offer it if it saves them money over the life of the deal versus arbitration and that first year of free agency. It only makes sense for a player to accept it if they feel that the downside risk is outweighed by the guaranteed money.

If in a year, the Royals offer Gordon, Butler, etc. contracts that buy out some of the player's free agency, that's a sign they can compete.

However, if Gordon, Butler, etc. decide that they're young, indestructible and slump-proof (hey, they've advanced to being one of the best 400 people on the planet at what they do; they're not lacking in confidence, dedication and talent at that point), they might decide to see what happens in arbitration, and eventually free agency.

In general, that becomes more likely if teams are throwing around money like it's going out of style. The more money there is to throw around, the more likely that it will get spent, and the more likely it becomes that a young talent will look at that and realize that if he survives the next few years, he can end up with twice as much money by signing a deal in that sixth year.

The Royals can offer, and they should. It's still not clear to me that with all that money floating around, it's the right decision for the young talent to accept.

March 20, 2008 at 9:58 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I defended you in Rob's comments, and I agree with you again here. It's actually a lot simpler than what you've gone to great lengths to explain. When players all are valued according to their performance relative to their peers, more teams will be able to afford more players.

It has always been a strategy in business to use your financial advantages to ruin your competition, and having done so, focus on maximizing profit. This is not really an option in baseball: the competition is needed to sustain the industry. The more teams that focus on maximizing their own profit, the more level the playing field becomes.

March 21, 2008 at 9:42 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is for k.c.tigerfan... Pudge is a hall of fame catcher. Magglio is an occasional MVP candidate. Gil Meche is Gil Meche. And Jose Guillen? Those aren't sparkling parallels. You can argue pretty well against the wisdom of the Pudge signing (perhaps it changed the culture) and the Ordonez signing was a huge gamble for Dombrowski and he must thank God every night that it didn't blow up in his face, but as players those two are in a much higher class than the Royals pair.

March 21, 2008 at 7:24 PM

Blogger RDLinville said...

Completely off topic, but…I was a service member who just moved back home to the KC area today, and nothing has got me more pumped up about the upcoming season than reading your blogs…Unfortunately I have not had the privilege of watching the Royals (except last season’s opener against Boston) like some of you have, but I can’t wait to get back in the mix…Between you and the ESPN Royals blogs I am officially PUMPED UP! Let’s be honest, I’m all for home grown talent, but if any of us owned Wal-Mart we would be looking down at the Central and laughing!

March 23, 2008 at 12:32 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Even if all teams are valuing players only by performance relative to their peers, that will not be the only factor in the money they offer them. Here's an example.

Let's say that next year the Yankees and the Royals both want Mark Teixeira. And let's say that they both "value" him at being worthy of about 5yrs/$100M in the current market. So, both teams make an offer in that vicinity. Then Teixeira's agent goes to the Yankees and tells him what the Royals have offered. So the Yankees respond by upping the offer by $1-2M per year or by adding another year. If you add more teams to the bidding (and there will be), the auction factor increases even more.

Market factors are at play here. There's a ton of money out there. And the large market geams have much more than the small market teams. They aren't going to just sit on that revenue. They know that they can increase it by winning more games and more championships. And you do that by improving your team by adding talent. If you have a greater capacity to pay for talent, then you are going to do just that.

That is why the Dodgers got A. Jones and the Angels got T. Hunter. And the Royals got neither.

March 23, 2008 at 11:35 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

One more thing. In addition to having the most money to sign the best free agents, large market teams also have a huge advantage in signing the best Japanese players. Were in small market teams in the running to pay the posting fee and then the huge contract for Matsuzaka? Will any small market teams have any chance of winning the posting fee bidding for Yu Darvish? Nope, players like this are only going to be available to the richest teams.

And yet we are still going to pretend that if small market teams aren't contending, then they can't blame the financial structure? Please.

March 24, 2008 at 11:27 AM

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