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"2014 Royals Top Prospects, Part 5."

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Blogger Rogers Write said...

Ventura will, and Zimmer is likely to, contribute this season. Modesi is a solid bet as our star SS of the future. But the player I have high hopes for this year is Manaea. If, as you describe, he regains his fastball, we may have our No. 1 starter for years to come.

February 27, 2014 at 9:15 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've noticed multiple comments on Rany's blog talking about a 'Modesi'. Who is this mystery player? Multiple people can't be spelling Mondesi incorrectly, I refuse to believe people are that dumb.

February 27, 2014 at 9:34 PM

Blogger John said...

How many young shortstops have they moved off the position while in the minors, in an effort to get them to the major leagues sooner? I know that Brett and Frank White both entered the Royals' system as shortstops, and both were switched to other positions after Patek became entrenched in K.C. Brett as a shortstop probably would have been Jeter-esque, but White would have been a fine shortstop.

That's got to be a big part of the reason why the team has a dry spell at that spot. Plus, the fact the Royals have only been around for 45 years, and the last 20 have been pretty lousy doesn't help.

February 27, 2014 at 10:31 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

"Suffice it to say, there’s not only a possibility but a probability that Mondesi will be the greatest shortstop ever developed by the Royals." And, considering the data that you provided, one could add "the ONLY shortstop ever developed by the Royals". Kind of scary, isn't it?

February 27, 2014 at 10:57 PM

Blogger Mark said...

Yes, I'm sure he'll be a fine player. Unfortunately, it will be for another team

February 28, 2014 at 1:54 AM

Blogger kcghost said...

I have a hard time saying the best prospect in the system is an 18-year old who in all likelihood will be a league average SS in a few years. Just too much time to go before he is useful to us.

February 28, 2014 at 8:30 AM

Blogger Michael S. said...

If he's league average at 21 years old I'll be extremely pleased.

February 28, 2014 at 9:07 AM

Blogger twm said...

I think several franchises would have similarly disappointing lists at the shortstop position, maybe not as bad (MN has Zoila and Gagne and then very little since), but close to as embarrassing, to the point where maybe developing a quality SS should be thought of as a feather in te organization's cap, rather than the failure to develop one being considered as a blight.

Better than serviceable SS are hard to find, and durable ones even more so. Running through SS in my head, I can list maybe 15 all star caliber SS since the Royals became a franchise.

A-Rod, Trammell, Jeter, Ripken, Nomar, Tejada, Hanley Ramirez, Larkin, Ozzie Smith, Vizquel, Yount (?), Campaneris, jay Bell, Concepcion, Dickie Thon

I am probably forgetting some, but the list is not long. Our organizational weakness at SS is a problem, yes, but SS are a rare breed. I don't know, maybe I am off base here.

February 28, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Blogger Steve N said...

I can think of Rollins and Fernandez. Probably a couple more. I'm drawing a blank on the buy with the Giants 10 or more years ago. Thon's short, injury shortened, career is one of the cautions.

March 1, 2014 at 5:54 AM

Blogger David W. Lowe said...

First of all, Rany is incorrect. There have been two others internally-developed and signed starting pitchers start major league games for the Royals besides Danny Duffy, both in 2013:

Yordano Ventura
Chris Dwyer

Second, this is the same Rany that begged and pleaded with the Royals to trade Yordano Ventura, perhaps the next Pedro Martinez, for an aging Howie Kendrick. He did this begging in three separate places:

On his blog
On the radio
On the KC Star

So, why are we still paying attention to this guy?

March 1, 2014 at 6:38 PM

Blogger BobDD said...

Well, I like my reason for paying attention to "this guy" more than your reason.

March 1, 2014 at 6:59 PM

Blogger Kansas City said...

Since we have a GM who thinks the Royals "have" to trade top prospects in order to secure the last couple contract years of high quality veterans that the Royals can't afford to sign in free agency, all these prospects are at risk of Moore getting fleeced again in a deal with a smarter GM.

March 2, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Blogger Jack Campbell said...

Jose Reyes anyone?

Also, there's a huge gap between 'better than serviceable' and All Star. Elvis Andrus is better than serviceable, but not an All Star (in my book). If I had a crystal ball and I knew Mondesi were to become exactly as good as Andrus and be ours for six seasons, that's enough for me to put him in the argument for Royals' best prospect - or at least understand someone's decision to rate him as such. If he becomes good enough to rate among the top 30% of current starting SS's, for me he's our best prospect.

March 2, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Blogger kcghost said...

I think people are missing my point. I am not disputing that a young league average shortstop isn't useful. My I am saying that if a guy who projects to be a league average SS is your farm systems top prospect you are in deep poop. For crying out loud we have been drafting at the top of the draft board since Cy Young was in kindergarten.

March 3, 2014 at 12:28 PM

Blogger blindbuddy said...

The Minnesota Franchise has Joe Cronin

March 3, 2014 at 6:45 PM

Blogger John said...

Where was Rany talking about someone who projects to be a league average shortstop? A shortstop who projects to hit .300 in the majors with 10-15 home runs and 20-30 steals is a long way from "league average." That's a shortstop who's 80 percent of Derek Jeter in his offensive prime, plus he can actually field the position. A very, very long way from league average.

A shortstop like that would be a consistent 4-6 WAR player, worth $15 million or more on the open market. But hey, if the Royals don't have any use for a guy who projects like that, please have Dayton call Ben Cherington and offer him to the Red Sox. Xander's going to have to move to third eventually anyway.

March 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

This post just reminds me that Mike Aviles was considerable underrated. He hasn't been a 2 war player for the last two years due to a low babip, but he was great his first year with KC when his babip was good. He's still that same player, and his defense is still above average. We would likely be a better team in 2014 with Aviles as our shortstop, at least no worse.

I'm not saying Aviles was great, but he's just as good as what we got. And we spent a Zack Greinke on Alcidies Escobar.

March 7, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Blogger geoknows said...

@David Lowe: Chris Dwyer has not started a game for the Royals. He appeared in two games last year, but started neither.

March 14, 2014 at 3:19 PM

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