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"Kevin Appier: A Retrospective."

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Anonymous Hemlock Guy said...

In the event that Appier doesn't get any Hall of Fame votes, then...


...everyone involved with putting together the Royals' rosters in Appier's prime should drink hemlock!

December 6, 2009 at 7:42 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Circle me, Terry Shumpert.

December 6, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Blogger Phil said...

Great post!

Although I now need a nap after reading War and Peace of undervalued 1990's baseball stars from small market teams.

December 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was at that Yankees game in 2003 where Appier bamboozled his way through that lineup. I remember him coming off the mound to a standing ovation - it was great, and everyone in attendance knew what we were watching.

Looking back, it almost seems like I knew that we weren't going to end up winning the Central. We were all just a bunch of crazy dreamers back then. But, hey, we had our moment when Appier was the Great Ape once again, and we stomped the Yankees.

Great post.

December 6, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the post, Rany. Signing Arguelles would be quite a coup.

December 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Blogger sw said...

Great post. I'll always remember Appier as the face of the Kansas City Royals for the 1990s decade. Growing up in Cleveland, I didn't know much about the Royals except that they were usually bad, and they had Kevin Appier, who was one of the best pitchers in baseball. It still blows my mind that he only made one All-Star team when the Royals were not exactly flush with talent in his best years. Now that he's five years post retirement, there's really no excuse for the Royals not to honor him in their team HOF.

December 6, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would like to know more or have a reference to the comment about Jesse Haines being a mistake pick.

December 6, 2009 at 6:31 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon: Read Bill James' book "Whatever Happened To The Hall of Fame." He explains why Jesse Haines, and several other players, were poor Hall of Fame selections.

Basically, in a nutshell, there are many non-Hall of Fame pitchers in baseball history whose credentials are at least as good as Haines', and many of them are distinctly superior to him. The same is also true of Rube Marquard, and to a lesser extent, people like Waite Hoyt, Herb Pennock and even Don Drysdale.

December 6, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kevin Appier is probably the single player (if I had to name one) that ignited my Royals fire (the embers are still glowing beneath the ashes).

On Arguelles: this signing adds to my belief that Dayton Moore is a solid player development GM despite his well-documented struggles moving and acquiring major league players...which makes sense. He has a lot of experience in player development. Perhaps there's a learning curve as to major league player acquisition as well.

December 6, 2009 at 8:43 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rany, good to see you posting again. I don't know what "dithering" the Royals have done re: getting Appier into the team HoF, he isn't eligible until this year, but he should definitely be in.

Re: this new Cuban guy. Nice to see him sign with the Royals, but I temper my excitement by remembering that we thought Yasuhiko Yabuta would be good too. And, we had a manager who should have known him from Japan.

Given the banner text on your blog since Zack won the Cy Young, I'd love to see some commentary comparing Greinke 2009 to Saberhagen 1989, which I've always thought was the best year ever for a Royals starting pitcher.

December 7, 2009 at 8:47 AM

Blogger RoyalGreek said...

Rany,
Great article, as usual. I love the pointed mark at Jack Morris, whose constant and increasing support for the Hall makes you think of Jim Rice, who I think was a joke to gain enshrinement.
Where do you stand on Rice's selection?

December 7, 2009 at 9:03 AM

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December 7, 2009 at 9:03 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good read.

There was an older pitcher who famously fell off the mound to one side sorta like Appier - Bob Gibson. That guy was successful as well, and didn't suffer an inordinate amount of injuries either.

December 7, 2009 at 9:07 AM

Blogger Darin said...

Great post, Rany! Like Anon in comment #4, I was at that Yankee game in 2003...now I'll have to dig out my scorecard from that night sometime. I guess I'm too optimistic--if you had told me that night what the next 6 years (and counting) would be like, I wouldn't have believed it could ever get so bad.

To this day, I have an irrational but strong dislike for Jack McDowell. Although I had very little knowledge of the sabermetric stats in 1993, I knew in my heart Ape had been robbed. For Zack's sake, I'm glad there has been so much progress on that front!

December 7, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

another great article, Rany! Like Ndamukong Suh will be, Ape dominated his side of the ball but was denied his sport's highest recognition by an anemic offense.

December 7, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Blogger RoyalPrick said...

I probably only went to 3 or 4 games a year in my younger days. But the one game that I remember the most vividly even to this day is the one-hit loss to the Rangers. Although I would of gambled that it was Juan Gone that hit the home run, I still remember that Joyner didn't start (but came in to pinch-hit in the ninth) and Brett going 0-fer. Weird stuff you remember as a 9 year old.

December 7, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Anonymous Chris said...

Excellent post about Appier, Rany. Just shows how our almost TWO decades long lack of offense has screwed a possible HOF career.

Can't wait to see your blog about the winter meetings. Hope there's an analysis about the Rule 5 draft and if the Royals made a good selection or a mistake. Sounds like they got a good start with the signing of Arguellas.

Thanks for all you do!

December 7, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rany-

The Royals should be hot after Granderson.

What about DeJesus and Callaspo for Granderson.

Then the Royals could take the money they are spending on Guillen, Farnsworth and Betancourt and sign Matt Holiday.

I know, I know, worthless to even think this way, but I have to have some reason to hope.

Anyway, what do you think about Granderson in center for KC?

December 7, 2009 at 4:34 PM

Blogger ItsThisOrTherapy said...

Like Anon4 and Darin, I was there that night in 2003. I went to a lot of games this decade, but that one has to be the highlight. Thanks for the nice write-up.


Maybe the sting of the Yuni trade is wearing off, but looking at strengthening of the farm system, the new trainer, and now the Arguelles signing make me more optimistic again. I would agree with another anonymous commenter that maybe there is a learning curve in being a GM.

December 7, 2009 at 8:05 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

rany, i come back to your site a couple times a week hoping to see new content. thanks for another wonderful piece.

December 7, 2009 at 9:16 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

December 6....Appier's birthday....good timing on the post

December 7, 2009 at 10:14 PM

Blogger Shelby said...

Am I wrong in thinking that

We.

Want.

Felix.

Pie.

?

December 9, 2009 at 1:25 AM

Anonymous Dos Carlos said...

Thanks for the great post Rany, it's good to have you back. Appier is probably one of my 4 or 5 favorite Royals of all time, with the guys above him all coming from the great squads that preceded him in the 80s. Here's hoping he gets his Royals HOF due.
Also, thanks for the nod to Politics of Glory. I picked it up more or less at random in the sports section of a book store over a decade ago, and it ignited my interest in the sabremetrics movement.

December 11, 2009 at 11:00 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was at the game in 1993 where he threw the one hit loss. It is the best pitching performance I have ever seen in person. (and I was at Saberhagen's no hitter)

The pitch Palmiero hit the Home Run on was sick! I turned to my friend and said "Nobody could have pulled that ball out of here! He must be juicing"

As it turned out he was. And he just got 335 feet out of it.

December 15, 2009 at 1:32 AM

Blogger Tiger said...

Well, he did get a vote.

January 6, 2010 at 10:55 PM

Anonymous Kevin Appier said...

I agree with the first post that was made on this thread.

October 11, 2010 at 1:21 PM

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