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"Royals Today: 2/20/2011."

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Blogger Ryan said...

Kyle Farnsworth is a bad pitcher.

At least this summer, Chicago-area folk will be able to see Royals single-A talent at Kane County! You could probably due some blogs about that.

February 20, 2011 at 3:10 PM

Blogger Reb Moti said...

Are you going to be on 610 this summer, Rany?

February 20, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Blogger KHAZAD said...

Farnsworth was certainly overpaid as a Royal, but is unfairly mostly remembered for his first two weeks in a Royals uniform, giving up 7 runs in his first 3 innings and starting off 0-3.

After that he was a quality pitcher. He threw 78.2 more innings as a Royal, with a 2.75 ERA, a 1.27 WHIP. Hitters hit .252/.320/.326 against him. He only allowed 3 home runs in those innings, and he allowed 1/3 of those runs in two disastrous appearances in 2009. While he may not be a closer or set up man, there is major league value in that kind of player.

According to Fangraphs he was worth $5.9 million in the 1 2/3 years he was on the Royals, and they parlayed him into Tim Collins, so if they had paid a less obscene amount for him, it might have been a good deal.

The Rays, who have more money to begin with, are paying about 2/3 of what the Royals gave him, and are only committed to the first year. That might still be too much, but as long as they don't try to make him the closer, they have a chance to win this deal.

February 20, 2011 at 6:13 PM

Blogger Phil said...

Choose Your Own Rany Adventure! My favorite kind of blog.

Can you make up your own hot stove? à la the Torii Hunter FA days?

Like you said, the Royals will need some FA help at some point. Who will likely be available over the next couple of years and who should the Royals consider acquiring... or more importantly, who should the Royals avoid at all costs (the more likely the scenario)?

February 20, 2011 at 7:26 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think your judgement on the defensive skill of some these players is kinda harsh. Chris Getz isnt average.
Id like to see some articles on Greinke one day coming back to the Royals. Maybe comparisons of Posnanski, Mellinger, and Whitlock I know the two formers may be your peers but id think itd be interesting. All-star games that Kauffman should try to emulate in 2012.

February 20, 2011 at 8:38 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

I love reading columns in which two intelligent people look at the same facts and come to opposite conclusions. That was what made Rob & Rany on the Royals so interesting: you weren't arguing past each other or picking nits, you just disagreed. I'd like to read columns in which you give your take on something written by Kahrl or Law or Posnanski or anyone else who writes well and with an analytical perspective, but whose conclusions about something related to the Royals merit countering.

It's also interesting to me how watching one team closely makes you wonder about larger issues. For instance, what does it mean for a coach to do a good job? How can we really isolate what McClure or Seitzer do? It's not so much about doing the study itself -- I can't imagine having any time left over for your work or family if you tried to recreate a PAP-like study every week or two -- but Bill James used to describe studies, and that was almost as interesting: "if we knew this, then we could know that. Here's what I think we'd find out. Here's how we might go about measuring that thing we aren't yet measuring." It would be interesting to see a column or two about the things you wish you could know about this year's team, something that seems knowable, but that we haven't yet figured out.

February 20, 2011 at 10:02 PM

Blogger ORoyal27 said...

Rany,

I'm too lazy to do the research myself, could you explain how the Rays stockpiled so many draft picks?

Thanks

February 20, 2011 at 10:49 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Rany,

Perhaps a series on the basics of sabremetrics would be appropriate. A sabremetrics 101 series, if you will, where you explain the basis of the most important statistics for us leypeople in the audience.

February 21, 2011 at 3:58 AM

Blogger Bart said...

During the season, you could breakdown a game analytically. Go through the major decision points maybe point out a few choices that we normally wouldn't notice. Start with the starting lineup and take us through the bullpen innings.

February 21, 2011 at 9:17 AM

Blogger Dave Feit said...

I'll second the idea for Sabremetrics 101.

From reading you and Poz for a couple of years, I have a rudimentary idea of some of the primary stats, but it would be helpful to know a) what goes into each on (both the calculation formula and what it strives to show) as well as b) what numbers are Yuni, average, all star, or HOF?

Also, since we all know the competitive portion of the season will be over by June 1, I'd be interested in seeing your thoughts on where the franchise would be if:
-KC had gone to the NL instead of Milwaukee.
-KC had used their first round choice differently in the last 15 years.
-Baseball had a salary cap

I know, this is all speculative, fantasy stuff, but I think we'll need something to get us through to when the call-ups occur.

One final suggestion: worse minor league team names than the Omaha Storm Chasers?

February 21, 2011 at 12:29 PM

Blogger Chris H said...

JoeRoyal: do you mean Getz is better than average or worse than average? Seriously. Because I think "average" is the only way you can really classify Getz's defense. He's really not that good.

February 21, 2011 at 1:57 PM

Blogger Kansas City said...

I agree on the basics of sabremetrics. I am not interested so much in how the calculations are done, or even the rationale of the calcuation, but on the bests ones to look at, how to understand them, and why they are important and better than the traditional stats.

Also, the question of when a prospect should be considered ready. I have always thought the issue was overrated and, within reason, I think the better approach would be to bring them up, give them 500 at bats (or 25 starts or 150 innings) and see what they can do at the major league leve. I realize service time is a factor, but I never understood why a stud prospect could not just be brought up and play. I think that I saw a stat once that said players pretty much hit the same (about 10 points lower) in the majors than they hit at AAA. If so, put them in coach. It will be fun to watch them.

I have a general recollection that the Rays did that a few years ago and the Indians did that in the 90's, but maybe I'm wrong.

February 21, 2011 at 7:37 PM

Blogger Kansas City said...

To add one point. I can see why logically a pitcher might need minor league time to learn their trade, and I honestly don't remember too many pitchers who came up young without much minor league experience and had great success, but it seems like if a hitter is 21 or more and crushing the ball in the high minors, it is time to bring them up. I suppose you would expect a hitter to struggle a bit at first (except Frenchy), but so what? Isn't history filled with hitters who started slow and then went on to great careers (average and OPS+ below)?

Willie Age 20 274 120
Mickey Age 19 267 116
Duke Age 21 241 96
Hank Age 20 280 104

February 21, 2011 at 8:01 PM

Blogger Kansas City said...

Maybe a more realistic comparison:

Paul Molitor Age 21
BA 273 OPS+ 89

Then 20 years of mostly very high caliber hitting.

February 21, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Christopher: I was under the impression that we acquired Getz for his speed at the top of the order and his ability to cover ground at 2nd base. Ive never seen him make an error or be as frustrated as I was with Yuni's lack of range. It just seems like Rany was reluctant to give any of our players an average grade and Getz was a guy I never had a problem with starting at 2nd if his bat was working, and yet Rany doesnt even want to compliment him. I love Rany with all my heart, i want him to be GM, but I dont know what it is, i just havent been as displeased as i usually am with our defense. i disagree with the recent vintage statement. I think our defense has improved, with the likes of Dejesus, Butler's emergence, the injuries of Guillen athletic third basemen.

February 21, 2011 at 10:29 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

To put my two cents in about suggestions for writing, id like to see a synopsis or a breakdown of the first week of a prospect's promotion. i dont know why everyone isnt looking forward to the prospects being called up especially when we werent looking forward to winning this season anyway. i think we should really draw out this calling up business. I am about to buy a John Lamb jersey.

February 21, 2011 at 10:47 PM

Blogger Antonio. said...

I don't care how fast Chris Getz is. Not at all. His .315 OBP doesn't belong on the field, but if you're going to force it, the only way he belongs anywhere near the top, it can only be to keep Kenny away from the two-spot.

February 21, 2011 at 11:38 PM

Blogger Nathan said...

I second Brett's ideas for column topics. I'm also quite interested to read your thoughts on current events, name of the blog not withstanding. If you really wanted to do some research, an article on what daily life is like for the Royals' minor league players would be a nice change of pace, too.

February 22, 2011 at 10:28 AM

Blogger Nathan said...

Did you see Soria asked to stop being called the Mexicutioner, because of the escalating violence in Mexico? I think that's a pretty reasonable request. He wanted to be called like Mariano is called. Now, I'm OK with that, but I would prefer a mild merger of last name and nickname. Thus, I propose:

El Soria.

February 22, 2011 at 2:33 PM

Blogger Adrian said...

I think an interesting post would be about a single prospect's arc--high school to the show. How did they project in high school and how were they scouted/drafted? How did the Royals bring them along? How did they perform and adjust at each stop?

Another post I'd love to read would be something that explains the Royals baseball operations side both from an organizational perpective--what are the roles and who's in them--and also, if possible, how they compare to other clubs.

Thank you for your blog, Rany.

February 22, 2011 at 3:00 PM

Blogger Gary Beebe said...

Have you found a correlation between minor league records leading up to the predictability of when the big club is going to improve? I blog about the Marniers, which is beyond brutal because a)I am not a Mariners fan and b) they obviously suck and will continue to suck for the near and mid future until Jackie Z can fix the train wreck of a farm system that Bavasi left behind.

February 23, 2011 at 8:55 AM

Blogger brdirck said...

Rany, I fear this may be bad timing, given how much we're all getting so excited about the next new crop of young Royals players; but have you ever considered assembling an All-Time Royals Over-Hyped Team? By this I mean Royals players who were hyped by the organization as The Next Big Thing, only to have them flame out specactularly for one reason or the other. The determining factor for a given player would be the size of the gap between the bar the Royals publicly set and the player's actual performance on the field. Maybe you could offer some commentary on why a given player failed so badly, and what we could learn from both their failures and the organization's mistakes, particularly as the new batch of kids comes along.

My personal suggestions (this is just off the top of my head, and is largely composed of players from the early to mid 90s, when I lived in KC and heard a lot of the hype firsthand):

1b: Bob Hamelin--no brainer
2b: Michael Tucker--remember when he was a second base prospect?
3b: Phil Hiatt
SS: Dave Howard: yes, they really protected him in favor of Jeff Conine in the expansion draft
C: Brent Mayne: and the club made him a first round draft pick because...???

OF: Brian McRae (who was never all that)
OF: Dwayne Hosey: people actually thought he would someday make us forget Willie Wilson
OF: Dee Brown: still makes me wince.

Pitchers: lots of possibilities here, of course: Jeff Granger, Jim Pittsley, Jeff George, etc. You could have a field day with this one.

February 23, 2011 at 11:25 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Antonio: the argument isnt about his bat, while everyone agrees your offense does force you off the field even if you are the best defender, and he does need to improve the bat, it was about how comfortable he makes you feel at 2nd. I feel fine putting his defensive skills on mike aviles's bat and calling him our everyday 2nd baseman.

February 24, 2011 at 2:45 AM

Blogger John said...

Kansas City,

A player brought up to the majors from Triple-A will generally lose about 20 percent of his ability to create runs, due to the higher level of competition. That doesn't take park effects into account, so in some cases it might appear to be more or less than that. (An example is that Wade Boggs hit better in Boston than he ever did in the high minors, where the Sox then had preposterous pitcher's parks.)

A young player who is rapidly developing might come to the majors and hit just as well as he did a year before in the minors, but it's just as likely that he'll need an adjustment period. Ken Griffey Jr. made the Mariners in spring training after playing just 17 games above A ball, but most players don't have that kind of talent level.

I believe there are plenty of young players who should be called up sooner than they are, but these days you have teams playing games with service time, and you also have a lot of old-school GMs who worry about "rushing" a player. In my opinion, if you call a player up too soon and he fails, and then never recovers, he didn't have the psychological make-up to be a good major-leaguer anyway. Everyone deals with failure at some point; it's how you respond that separates us. If service time wasn't an issue, I'd bring every prospect to the majors as soon as they look like they might be able to play there.

February 24, 2011 at 6:56 AM

Blogger KHAZAD said...

The argument was about Getz's defense, and what he is shown so far is average defense, maybe even a little below. Granted that is a plus for recent Royals teams, but it isn't like he is a defensive wizard.

When you add in the fact that he has looked lost at the plate, and that he seems to be a focus of the team in a measure far beyond his talent, I personally am significantly underwhelmed.

I am sure that Yost will look at the fact that he is a slap hitter with no extra base power, or even the ability to get the ball out of the infield, see the similarity with Kendall, and hit him in the second spot every day because he has "bat control" and knows how to "handle a bat." I guess he is fast, at least, but I don't look forward to have another year of a #2 guy with no power and a .300 OBP. (With maybe Kendall back there when he is healthy.)

You could call it Chris Kendall or Jason Getz, but either way it is a hole at the top of order.

February 24, 2011 at 6:13 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

I don't know exactly how it would be actualized, but I'd love to see what the affect of significant ss upgrades are on ground ball pitchers. I think the swap of Escobar for Yuni isn't being factored into how much improvement we'll see in Hochevar. I know that grading defense is an inaccurate science but I'm sure you could find a comparable situation to draw from.

February 25, 2011 at 11:05 PM

Blogger De-Freeze said...

Rany, I heard you're starting a Podcast. How can I find it?

February 26, 2011 at 4:07 PM

Blogger Antonio. said...

People are penciling in Hoche for a 100 ERA+. Considering the abysmal numbers he put up not only last year but over the course of his career, I'd say they are most definitely factoring in Escobar. For that kind of improvement, he's the best SS in the league.

February 26, 2011 at 8:58 PM

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