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"Royals and Southpaws: A History."

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

I read these posts, I read these posts, and I read these posts, and I still can't figure out why I'm still a Royals fan. Sigh.

Well done, as usually, Rany.

March 12, 2010 at 12:43 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

At this point. I think I'd be a fan of whatever team Rany was talking about. He's particularly good at pointing out faults in organizations, I'm glad he's not writing about me. :)

Rany: The Fans Bulldog.

Go get 'em tiger.

March 12, 2010 at 1:21 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know he was long ago fired, but after reading the story of Jose Rosado, it must be said again...

Tony LUSER should not have been fired. He should have been burnt at the stake!

March 12, 2010 at 8:51 AM

Blogger christopher said...

Let me ask you Rany--do we focus too much on the dumb moves the Royals make at the MLB level and ignore all the much more important good they are doing in the lower levels? I realize Hosmer and Mous look like mistakes, but you have to admit that DMoore took action there by firing Ladnier after the Hosmer pick. And lower in the draft, the royals are taking the action they so desperately need to take by spending waaay over slot to get kids who can play. I say this because no matter how smart/not-smart you are on the margins--at the end of the day you need superstar talent to win. This is why the Twins are successful and the As have struggled recently. This is why the Rays are good. Making smart moves in FA and with marginal players can help, but the effects are completely overwhelmed by the effects of having or not having evan longoria or chase utley. the royals are doing what is truly necessary to win. kendall or guillen are pointless decisions. signing montgomery, myers, dwyer, cuban defectors etc are what will make or break this team either way.

March 12, 2010 at 10:51 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for mentioning Durbin, in addition to Rosado, as pitchers ruined by Tony Muser.

Granted, he might not have been as good, but the fact is we will never know.

All I can remember was him allowing Durbin to throw something like A HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR (!!!!!) pitchers in a game at Oakland in August - and this was WELL after EVERYBODY in baseball should have been aware of the dangers of pitch counts for young arms.

CRIMINAL.

March 12, 2010 at 12:22 PM

Anonymous Ben F said...

Good article, though I can't help but rib about the double-typo that made for a pretty funny image:
"Royals came out of the game like a house on fire"

March 12, 2010 at 12:40 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous 8:51am

You take baseball way too seriously if you think someone deserves to be burnt at the stake for leaving pitchers in too long! Lord knows what you want done to Dusty Baker!

March 12, 2010 at 1:05 PM

Anonymous Andy G. said...

I am not positive it was Boone or of the year, but I was there. Bob Boone does believe in pitch count. I think he was manager opening day in 1995 and he pulled Appier who was pitching a no hitter after five innings. I think that ruined the season.

March 12, 2010 at 3:33 PM

Blogger Karte said...

Rany,

I need some help. Since outs are the most precious thing in baseball, NOT MAKING OUTS should be very important, right?

Is there any stat that does this? I am thinking there should be a stat that counts the number of outs made by a player (strikeouts, flyouts, groundouts, GIDP=2, caught stealing, tag outs on close plays). To make it a ratio stat, it could be # of Plate Appearances divided by # of Outs Made.

Is there any stat like that? That would seem to be something the average fan like myself could understand.

March 12, 2010 at 3:41 PM

Anonymous Anonymous 8:51 am said...

Lord knows what you want done to Dusty Baker!

Impalement.

March 12, 2010 at 3:50 PM

Blogger Not Jennifer Gibbs said...

Reading about Rosado made me want to cry.

March 12, 2010 at 4:08 PM

Anonymous Trey Hillman's Chin said...

I don't mean to nitpick, but Splittord had 166 wins (not 167). Saberhagen had 167. Koufax had 165. Not that 1 pitcher wins means anything...

March 12, 2010 at 7:07 PM

Blogger ChasingMoney said...

I'm surprised you failed to mention that the team record for strikeouts in a season by a LHP is held by Bill Butler who did it in the franchise's first season, 1969. 150+ K's has only been achieved 3 times in team history.

March 12, 2010 at 9:19 PM

Blogger Rany said...

Butler had two decent seasons with the Royals, but like his teammate Jim Rooker, both entered pro ball before the Royals even existed. They were *original* Royals, but they weren't *originally* Royals, if that makes sense. So they don't count for purposes of making a list of left-handers the Royals developed.

March 12, 2010 at 11:38 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rosado had superstar written all over him. Danny Jackson was nasty, everything you wanted in a left hander. There was just something the organization didn’t like about him.

March 13, 2010 at 5:57 AM

Blogger Scott D. Simon said...

Just want to say thank you again for the effort you put into these posts. I'm a Mets fan but I follow the Royals because of your blog.

March 13, 2010 at 6:06 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jim-
I totally agree - but apparently this kind of thinking is beyond the royals... anyway, 1 - OBP = Out Percentage is good enough for me.

March 13, 2010 at 10:20 AM

Blogger Kansas City said...

I loved Charlie Leibrandt when he pitched for the Royals. He pitched a great game 2 of the 85WS, when Pendleton beat him with a soft line drive down the left fied line (fell right in front of me sitting just short of the ball boy in the front row).

I don't know how he was go good, but I remember two things: (1) batters used to break their bats frequently when they faced him; and (2) he was quoted in the paper once after a good game as saying he pitched same as normal, about 80% fast balls and the rest change ups.

In anyone knows how Leibrandt was so successful, let me know.

March 13, 2010 at 11:53 PM

Blogger ChasingMoney said...

You missed my point. The team record for K's that was established their first season still stands because none of the leftys they've developed have been able to surpass it. I wasn't knocking your list.

March 14, 2010 at 4:28 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think the Royals undervalued Danny Jackson, they probably just felt they had a surplus of pitchers and really needed a catcher.

It could also be that the Royals didn't like the fact that Danny was a solid union man. He was one of the holdouts from Topps baseball cards because Topps signed contracts with each player individually and had no contract with the players union, whereas Fleer and Donruss had agreements with the MLBPA.

March 14, 2010 at 11:44 PM

Blogger John said...

Kansas City,

As I recall, Leibrandt's "fastball" was actually more of a hard sinker; he didn't throw all that hard, but the movement on his pitches gave him an advantage. He had that working for him, and he was a master at changing speeds. He was also a groundball pitcher who pitched for teams in K.C. and Atlanta who had some pretty good infielders backing him up. And last but not least, he was a very intelligent man who knew how to pitch.

I believe what turned his career around was that he got to K.C. and suddenly realized that he could trust his defense. Dick Howser always put good gloves out there, even if they couldn't hit. Leibrandt started throwing with more confidence than he had with the Reds and good things followed. Note that when he first came up, with the 1980 Reds, he was decent, but then he went into the toilet in '82 along with the team, and ended up back in the minors.

Anon 8:51 AM 3/12: I don't know that Muser should be burnt at the stake for what he did to Rosado, but I do think a lifetime ban from managing was called for. (The same goes for the current Royals mismanager and his handling of Meche.) Fortunately, I think the other teams are smart enough to never give Muser another opportunity.

March 15, 2010 at 1:08 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

John hit the nail on the head with Leibrandt. He was a master at changing speeds and keeping the hitter off balance. His motion was very deceptive and even though he didn't throw hard he pitched inside.

Those things are easy to say but pretty hard to pull off. I think John is also correct in that he was a pretty smart dude.

Chaim, I think your point is that Jackson was outspoken and didn't always agree with the company line. That was true and probably why he got traded before he should have, but he was traded for a shortstop, Stillwell.

That trade was not a good one for the Royals, but both players made the All Star game the year the trade was made. A weird bit of useless trivia.

Cone also got ran out of town after the strike because he was influential in taking on the owners during the strike. I never understood that. I know he was taking an unpopular stand as far as the owners were concerned, but as an owner I would want guys on my side who were opinionated and fought for what they believed in.

As a Royal, you are not supposed to have an opinion and heaven forbid if you are not shy about airing that opinion.

Which brings me to Lou Piniella. The Royals really need someone like him to manage. I know he is with the Cubs, but the Cubs have the deep pockets and the Cubs are underachieving and I don't think Piniella is very well suited for the Cubs. Piniella would be the perfect guy to light a fire under these guys and to expect more out of them. This team really needs to instill the take no prisoners attitude of Piniella or Hal McRae. I am just waiting for one of our guys to put someone in centerfield while breaking up the double play. That hasn't happened in years and this team won't win much until they start doing those types of things.

And hiring Lou would maybe payback some of the kharma that was spent when Lou was traded to the Yankees mostly because he was a little brash and outspoken.

March 15, 2010 at 4:18 AM

Blogger Ron Rollins said...

Actually, Jackson was traded for a much needed short stop. The Reds has two at the time, and no one was sure which one would be a star.

The Royals chose Stillwell, as much for the fact that he was a switchhitter than anything else.

So they felt that Barry Larkin wasn't good enough to replace Onix Concepcion, Buddy Biancialana, and David Howard.

March 15, 2010 at 8:45 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

(slaps head)

Of course, I meant to say shortstop. David Cone was our surplus pitcher who we traded for a catcher.

March 15, 2010 at 9:43 AM

Blogger Rany said...

Jeff,

Ah, I see. Your point about not having any lefty power pitchers is well taken, although that goes along with my point - the Royals have been so unlikely to develop a lefty starter, period, so it's not surprising that when they have, they've almost always been finesse pitchers.

March 15, 2010 at 12:06 PM

Blogger ChasingMoney said...

Agreed, I was adding to your point, not disputing it.

March 16, 2010 at 8:30 PM

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