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"Why does the baby cry? Fact sheet."

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Blogger Giotis said...

"Why does the baby cry?"

I'm only guessing; because life sucks?

5:43 AM, August 07, 2012

Blogger Phillip Helbig said...

My experience is that babies don't cry unless they are unhappy. If there is no visible reason, my guess is that it is usually pain, perhaps associated with teething.

The work you reference shows how far we have come. If you didn't see it, check out the episode of "Quarks & Co" which aired a few weeks ago. The moderator mentioned some things which people believed just a few decades ago, within my lifetime (if not yours). For example, nursing is bad, crying is good since it exercises the lungs and one can operate on babies without anesthesia because they don't feel anything anyway (apparently this was actually done!).

5:46 AM, August 07, 2012

Blogger Phil Warnell said...

Hi Bee

Nice piece with explanations I’ve never considered before. As for my take I think babies cry because becoming self aware is a traumatic experience. Further one could argue this doesn’t get any better as we grow older, only the coping mechanisms become augmented and expanded.


“Man alone is born crying, lives complaining, and dies disappointed.”

-Samuel Johnson

Best,

Phil

6:07 AM, August 07, 2012

Blogger Robert said...

My experience is consistent with the "distress" hypothesis: That you as mother are not able to localize the root of the problem (maybe just strong bowel movement, or something similar, that the baby is not yet used to) does not mean there is no (percieved) problem. And things are still in such a simple state that it cannot judge if you can do anything about it. So it just cries when it feels pain (or similar) since that makes you help in case you can.

Additional point: I heard that boys are more prone to show this type of early crying and that was attributed to the different geometry of male genitalia with respect to the digestive system.

6:08 AM, August 07, 2012

Blogger Bee said...

Hi Phillip,

It is implausible that teething pain peaks daily in the late afternoon. Also, it should get worse as the baby gets older, not get better. Best,

B.

6:09 AM, August 07, 2012

Blogger Bee said...

Hi Robert,

To some point that's likely the case. But it doesn't make much sense, evolutionary, that infants invest energy in crying up to the level that it may trigger abuse by the supposed caregiver. If it's a sign of distress, it's one that evolution couldn't decrease to a more beneficial level. Why? Best,

B.

6:13 AM, August 07, 2012

Blogger Bee said...

Hi Phil,

Yes, it could be a side-effect of neural development. Unfortunately, this seems to me very difficult to test. I mean, I can imagine that one would be able to find a correlation (between development stages, neural activity, and crying pattern), but I don't see how one would test for a causation. Best,

B.

6:17 AM, August 07, 2012

Blogger Robert said...

My guess is simply that the evolutionary choice was only "cry on distress" or "don't cry" and any differentiation to be too complicated.

OTOH, it seems that evolution was quite effective to find the sound that is most distressing to parents. We found that my wife almost feels physical pain when our children cry whereas for me only to a lesser extend (which allows me reactions like "yes, I hear you but let me finish what I am currently doing, then I'll take care of you" which are almost impossible to her).

6:33 AM, August 07, 2012

Blogger Phil Warnell said...

Hi Bee,

Yes it would be difficult to definitively test for, yet those silly little distractions that parents devise which often have their babies to stop crying has always had me to believe this to be true.

Best,

Phil

6:44 AM, August 07, 2012

Blogger Phillip Helbig said...

"It is implausible that teething pain peaks daily in the late afternoon."

I don't know when it would peak. Presumably it depends on when teeth grow (do they grow only at night like bones?). In general, at least in my experience, I suspect it is pain if there is no obvious reason, perhaps related to teething but of course there are other sources (mainly digestive).

In any case, none of my children cried very much and one started sleeping all night through when he was two weeks old, so I'm lucky in that respect!

6:59 AM, August 07, 2012

Blogger PTMR said...

Excessive crying not only pisses of parents end everyone else it would also draw predators in the wild making it a terrible "strategy" in itself, this is why I find it much more likely that it is a negative byproduct of something else which outweighs it's negatives.

My hypothesis would be that human infants are messed up by "recent" (in evolutionary terms) accelerated increase in brain size.

Kinda similar to how birth seems to be much harder for humans then for other mammals. The hypothesis I've come across is that evolutionary pressure to increase brain size is to blame - women reproductive tract evolution barely kept up. This link is more obvious but it's also possible that the fast growth of infant brain has other negative side effects, for example it may lead to some sort of psychological trauma/suffering experienced by infants.

8:00 AM, August 07, 2012

Blogger Arun said...

How does the caregiver know if the baby has a stuffy nose, an itch or a cramp?

8:25 AM, August 07, 2012

Blogger Mark Berton said...

Crying could be a defensive play on adult sympathies in an early humanoid society. Warriors might pass over domiciles with crying babies in favor of attacking their warrior counterparts within the tribe.

9:44 AM, August 07, 2012

Blogger Uncle Al said...

Yours is quite the list, Bee! One more - infants are fluid-buffered before entering the world. They have no callus layer atop their skin. Everything hurts when touched, hence lamb fleece in cribs rather than sheets. Easy test: Take a flatware spoon, gently touch the convex side to infant skin. That should trigger the siren, oh yes. Now, gently remove it. The walls will quake.

Second degree burns regrow baby skin. It almost melts onto any smooth surface. If it is a cool smooth metal surface, pulling back is agony. Eventually new skin toughens toward the world and becomes useful, or it goes the coddled diversity route and cries forever.

10:27 AM, August 07, 2012

Blogger panomic said...

Hi Bee,
I remember reading a book by anthropologist Sarah Hrdy dealing with the evolution of maternal instincts and infant behaviour and one of her points was that human infants need to exagerate their reactions because human mothers are the most likely of all primates to abandon their babies [given the investement in energy that a human child requires]

11:08 AM, August 07, 2012

Blogger Arun said...

If the infant cries unpredictably, it might make it not possible for the mother to go hunting/gathering (presumably the state in which humans spent a huge portion of their evolutionary history).

Also, if she did try to carry such a baby and go foraging, the baby's cries might attract predators.

So, if the mother is forced to be sedentary, and not expose herself to the dangers of going about, it improves hers and by extension her baby's chances of survival :)

See how easy it is to come up with hypotheses. :)

2:17 PM, August 07, 2012

Blogger A Riordan said...

Actually hypothesis four, manipulation in order to increase food gains, seems quite feasible.

However I would argue for a different mechanism as to why: Babies who cried more (ie. provided a form of negative reinforcement for the mother) might get fed more when competing with already existing siblings. Because a mother's resources are finite (there's only one of her), competition on this level could certainly offer survival advantages, as it provides negative reinforcement for the mother to attend first and foremost to the needs of the developing baby. This would conform to the fact that many of the mothers in the studies just thought that the crying babies needed food.

Because over-crying is potentially deleterious, as shown, over-cryers would be selected against. This dynamic might lead to the sort of frequencies, "peak," and offset of the behavior that we see as typical, as these normal factors might ultimately have offered the greatest probabilities of survival.

6:00 PM, August 07, 2012

Blogger A Riordan said...

Also, the selfish gene notion could provide an explanation for the perceived strangeness at a baby competing with its siblings. It might not hold up in practice in this case, but it's certainly a thought.

6:03 PM, August 07, 2012

OpenID JMA said...

Hi Bee

Have you considered that some other evolutionary step may have interfered with this communication channel between the baby and the outside world? There are lots of ways I can think that this might have happened. For example our ability to learn new things and concentrate on them may have distracted us from becoming familiar enough with the immediate needs of babies - we'd rather be doing something more interesting and we don't interact with babies enough (and in the right ways) to learn. We become irritated as a result of the perceived irrationality of the crying of the baby - something that may well be too recent in the evolutionary line to have affected this communication channel.
I guess you could also come at this from the baby's point of view. Other factors that have given us an evolutionary advantage (large head, complicated brain, etc.) may cause the baby discomfort from what it may have evolved to expect, so it cries.

I guess you could sum up this explanation as "there was a good reason once upon a time, but we've outgrown it and now it's a nuisance". C.f. the appendix as an organ.

JM

-- intonescience.wordpress.com

12:21 AM, August 08, 2012

Blogger DocG said...

Could be an existential thing.

Marshall McLuhan's Three Stages of Man:

1. Alarm

2. Flight

3. Exhaustion

:-)

11:47 PM, August 08, 2012

Blogger scimom said...

admiThank you for interesting theories on why babies cry.
Recently, there has been a new approach speculating that babies should not cry at all, as witnessed in some tribes in Africa. Yes, babies in Africa don't make sounds to alarm the predators, nor are they testing the relationships of their parents (brilliant :) They are simply quiet.
So there should be something that we are doing wrong. We respond to the cries with change-feed-sing, but there is definitely a missing soothing response, because the baby continues to wail.
Evolutionary, we are born very immature because of the disproportion between the baby's head and mom's pelvis. That is why the first three months of our lives are frequently referred as the "fourth trimester". Babies suffer from over stimulation, they can't cope yet with zoning out light-noises-new environment. They long for the quiet surroundings of the womb. One of the most popular books on the matter is "Happiest baby on the block" by Dr. Karp. He elaborates on soothing reflex - once you swaddle rock and shush the baby, she instantly stops crying. He didn't develop anything new, these were practices widely spread centuries ago, forgotten by modern medicine.

9:30 AM, August 09, 2012

Blogger my_wan said...

I'm well out of practice, but when I wasn't I could easily distinguish between a wide variety of causes for the babies I was around a lot. Including simple attention and/or interaction. Often when attention failed for this kind of cry a walk around different rooms or outside, or walk up within interaction distance of a variety of objects was effective. Males especially seemed to respond to the later more consistently, while girls seemed to get more attached certain individuals and less dependent on external interactions. The need for social interaction is universal though.

I think you have a partial point with hypothesis D, but only in terms of timing and not cause per se. It is imperative that babies interact socially, even if it's one sided and seemingly pointless. Else they fail to develop properly. Even neurological development fails without these interactions, which are unmistakable in extreme case of neglect through a lack of interaction. Even certain medical treatments during developmental stages must take this into account or risk inducing a failure of neurological development in otherwise healthy organs.

In earlier societies evening corresponded to the most optimal timing to receive these social interactions. As the baby ages, and can partake in more complex social interactions, the need to cry to induce these social interactions becomes less relevant and more dependent on circumstances than timing.

7:05 PM, August 11, 2012

Blogger Kaleberg said...

I took a peek at the articles in the PDF. It looks like crying has multiple causes, but is mainly about the need for attention and delayed human development.

Bard, in the section on colic, notes that hunter-gatherer babies don't have colic, but spend a lot of time being cradled in their mothers' arms or more likely in a sling within easy reach. (That way mom can gather with her quiet baby near at hand.) They still cry when they need something, but are not prone to unexplained crying jags.

Bard also notes that human babies are sort of in their fourth trimester of development. Their skulls haven't sealed and their senses are limited. They can't even focus their eyes very far, so they need close interaction. You can't just yell, "I'm coming." It takes them a while to realize that crying can work, after which they learn to quiet down on their own when problems are minor.

10:04 PM, August 13, 2012

Blogger Bee said...

Hi Kaleberg,

I didn't elaborate on this point, because the evidence is mixed (see also one of the later comments to the pdf). If I recall correctly, there are some studies saying that babies cry on the average less when they are carried more, but far from not crying at all. Other studies show that it doesn't matter much for the total amount of crying how quickly the mother responds (maybe because the baby adapts). The whole discussion around the "attachment parenting" is based on scientifically very shaky feet (there was a recent article in Time Magazine, which was pretty good actually). Best,

B.

1:55 AM, August 14, 2012

Blogger Bee said...

I should have added: If you compare cultures, it is very difficult to single out a factor.

1:56 AM, August 14, 2012

Blogger Karen Arguedas said...

I don't agree with you. I found (and still find) the theory of the attachment parenting pretty good, and it does work pretty well when is properly applied. My daughter is 2 1/2 y.o. now, and since she was born I started to "devorate" scientific papers and books on these topics.

Well, I'm a theoretical physicist, not a neuroscientist or something like that LOL (meaning, I don't perfectly understand Neuroscience, Evolution, and so on), but I do think that Neuroscience explain quite well why babies cry, and how to soothe them. At least it worked to me and to my friends, and everybody that I heard about applying AP. We had great babies, almost no crying, ever, even today! 'Terrible two' is something I still don't know what it is. I'm not saying it's perfect! Nobody is, kids in general give a hard time to us. But definitely I know a bunch of "perfect babies" (I'm referring to the first three months, that you seem particularly worry about), and a bunch of places where these "perfect babies" are the norm. Definitely the answer is in our modern western society.

I think (that is just my personal opinion) physicists in general are arrogant, thinking that all kind of Science should have the "same paths" that the Exact Science has. It just doesn't work like that.

Regards from Brazil :-)
Karen

10:58 AM, August 24, 2012

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