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"10 effects you should have heard of"

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Blogger Zephir said...

What is definition of the "effect"? In particular, does some conceptual difference exist between "effect" and "law"? For example, is the rotation of the Earth around Sun a manifestation of "Copernicus effect" or "Kepler's law"?

6:46 AM, September 28, 2012

Blogger Phil Warnell said...

Hi Bee,

Thanks as I remember this from the first time you presented it. Of all the effects there are two I find particularly interesting, with the first being the Hawking effect, as from what I understand it being the only one on your list that hasn’t been actually experimentally confirmed and to no wonder as how does one practically take the temperature of a black hole; or am I wrong on that. The other is the Aharonov–Bohm effect for as you say it demonstrates the physical reality of a potential, which I find interesting as a potential being thought of as what J.S. Bell would have called a beable is not something found to be generally accepted in physics as they thought more of just as convenient conceptual tool rather than something to be taken as real.

Best,

Phil

7:19 AM, September 28, 2012

Blogger Christine said...

Bee,

I like a general relativistic one, the "frame-dragging effect".

Otherwise, microscopic/EM -based effects seem to dominate physics, at least from your nice selection. Except of course, the bonus one, which arises from a universal cause.

Best,
Christine

7:57 AM, September 28, 2012

Blogger Zephir said...

List of effects (everything is just an applied physics, after all)..

8:19 AM, September 28, 2012

Blogger Bee said...

Hi Zephir,

As with many words, I don't think there's a strict definition, there's more a vague context in which the word might be used. I'd say a law is usually some relation, in the stricter sense an equation, while an effect is a statement about a specific physical consequences of such equations. Like the "frame-dragging effect" is a consequence of Einstein's field equations. Like the Hawking effect is a consequence of qft in curved space, and so on. Best,

B.

9:27 AM, September 28, 2012

Blogger Bee said...

Hi Christine,

Well, there's many more effects than those, but I think there's a merit in not drowning readers in information. And, yes, the frame-dragging effect is a good one, of course. Maybe it would deserve to be listed instead of the MSW effect, which is really a quite specialized topic. Best,

B.

9:29 AM, September 28, 2012

Blogger Christine said...

Hi Bee,

Yes, of course, there are many more effects and I was not suggesting you to be exhaustive. It's just that I am particularly fascinated with gravity/GR, and I thought one particularly nice representative at least should be mentioned.

Best,
Christine

11:11 AM, September 28, 2012

Blogger Bee said...

Hi Phil,

I realize it may be a little stale for you and some other readers who have been around for a longer time. But it seems to me that our readership has changed quite a bit and so I thought it would be worthwhile. You might have noticed that the Aharonov–Bohm effect is a newcomer to the list and replaces the butterfly effect, which didn't really fit very well. It was suggested in the comments to the earlier version. I recall being amazed by the Aharonov–Bohm effect for so nicely giving a concret physical meaning to the rather abstract idea of integrating around a loop. Best,

B.

12:55 PM, September 28, 2012

Blogger uair01 said...

Effects 7 Hawking and 11 Pauli are not experimentally verified like the others?

1:23 PM, September 28, 2012

Blogger N said...

Hi Bee,

as a retired electronics engineer who for the last (active)20yrs worked whith physicists I can assure you that the only effect that is 100% certain, observable, and needs no mathematical proof is what you call the Bonus Effect.

It can however be deducted from the Murphy's laws, but this wisdom is largely forgotten these days.

Best, N.

3:55 PM, September 28, 2012

Blogger Bee said...

Hi Uair01,

Right. There's been some back and forth over whether the Hawking effect has been seen in analogue gravity models. I haven't really followed that, but I think people are still debating whether it is what it's supposed to be. Either way, while the Hawking effect is generally about particle production in qft and so has these "analogues" , it is more specifically about black hole evaporation and there are of course no observations for that. Best,

B.

3:14 AM, September 29, 2012

Blogger Phil Warnell said...

Hi Bee,

I hope you didn’t think I implied this post to be redundant, that is even in respect to your long term readership as that certainly wasn’t my intent. Also I did take note that the Aharonov–Bohm effect to be added and thought it to be an excellent choice for reasons I’ve already given. That is I’ve always found the whole concept of potential fascinating, as to wonder what has the machine we call the universe able to be recognized to be found distinguishable from its reason.

Best,

Phil

6:50 AM, September 29, 2012

Blogger HellCombatant said...

You forgot the 12th Monkey or "Demolition" Effect: When a new "effect" shows up and overturns all previous theoretical models!

8:19 AM, September 29, 2012

Blogger Theophanes Raptis said...

"Science Set Free - Good News for Lumbering Robots"

http://www.deepakchopra.com/blog/view/809/science_set_free__good_news_for_lumbering_robots

10:00 AM, September 29, 2012

Blogger Georg said...

Hello Bee,
why did You not use the Term Hallwachs-Effect Your first exammple?
An Effect is a observation/experiment with an not obvious outcome.
For this reason the term "Hawking-Effect" is not appropriate.
Regards
Georg

1:57 PM, September 29, 2012

Blogger Uncle Al said...

Consider the Yarkovsky effect and its second order Yarkovsky-O'Keefe-Radzievskii-Paddack effect. They render obsessive orbital plotting of near-Earth objects less then rigorous over time. Distorted non-spherical and small objects do quite a dance in sunlight over time. 99942 Apophis the Uncreator, 270 meters in diameter, need only boogie over a skosh on its Friday 13 April 2029 visit to splatter the Earth on Hot Fudge Sunday 13 April 2036 (NASA-estimated 510 megatons).

That being substantially after the fall of Western civilization, get ready to kickstart a new religion. Angry God ho!

5:12 PM, September 29, 2012

Blogger Arun said...

You probably triggered a lot of the "why didn't I remember that?" effect!

11:37 PM, September 29, 2012

Blogger Hans Mühlen said...

Georg,

I'm not so sure I agree with your attempt at defining the term "effect".

From the samples chosen by Bee and by the discussion it is clear, I think, that "effect" is used in physics in a very vague and colloquial way. Yes, sometimes effects are observations, but sometimes they can be theoretical results (waiting to be observed).

Rather than imposing some strict definition, which risks de-effecting phenomena commonly called effects, it would be more useful to make a broad survey of the actual use of the term, and then try to extract the meaning from those findnigs.

So: an effect is what is called an effect. No need to apply nomenclatorial rigour in situations where it would obscure understanding rather than improve it.

12:36 PM, September 30, 2012

Blogger Kaleberg said...

With regards to the Pauli effect, do German speakers still refer to "die tucke des objekts"? I ran into the phrase while reading an account of why Fritz Haber, of nitrogen fixation fame, didn't want to give a demo of his lab apparatus back in 1909. The book I read translated the phrase as "the spitefulness of things", apparently a familiar phrase in laboratory circles.

12:14 AM, October 01, 2012

Blogger Bee said...

Tücke? Yes, "Tücke" is still a word that's in use. Also "tückisch."

1:24 AM, October 01, 2012

Blogger Kay zum Felde said...

I knew the first eight effects :-)


Thanks for enhancing my knowledge.

Take care Kay

10:12 AM, October 01, 2012

Blogger Juan F. said...

I discussed the Cherenkov and the Askaryan effects in my blog, Bee. I think they deserve to be in your list!

http://thespectrumofriemannium.wordpress.com/2012/10/16/log046-the-cherenkov-effect/

http://thespectrumofriemannium.wordpress.com/2012/10/17/log047-the-askaryan-effect/

Best wishes.

Amarashiki

3:27 PM, October 17, 2012

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