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"Liquid Helium"

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great post!

As a technician in a cryogenics lab were liquid helium is used daily, I can tell you that we have already begun to feel the squeeze with the helium shortage. Price hikes occur more than once a year and makes us extra careful about with our usage.

I haven't checked, but is there any estimate when the US National helium reserve is expected to go dry? 10 years? Longer?

For anyone interested I remember that NOVA did a great show on the history of low temperature physics a few months back. I recommend it to anyone interested in this stuff.

12:07 AM, July 25, 2008

Blogger Phil Warnell said...

Hi Stefan,

This article is proof that one can’t judge a book by its cover or rather in this case a blog entry by its title; for in this case with the subject being helium one would suspect it would be a light read:-) (sorry I couldn’t resist the levity).

More seriously this is a great post and interesting as this subject of helium relates to cryogenics and more generally low temperature physics with its questions about what happens as we approach absolute zero which couples to quantum mechanics and the uncertainty principle, Bose-Einstein's strange state of matter and so forth.

Interestingly enough the last PI public lecture of the season was focused around the whole history of low temperature science and research, with Dr. William D. Phillips presenting. He is a researcher for NIST and a Nobel laureate resulting from his work in low temperature physics. I must report it was one of the best lectures I have ever attended anywhere, from both the enlightening and entertainment aspects, with one leaving with much to wonder about. It hasn’t been posted on their recordings list yet, which is unfortunate for I would have liked to point to it as to share.

This post along with that lecture serves to remind me that with the LHC getting most of the limelight these days, we tend to forget there is other important experimental research ongoing that is breaking new ground and revealing some of the most fundamental and oft times strange aspects of nature.

Best,

Phil

6:53 AM, July 25, 2008

Blogger Andrew Thomas said...

If we run out of helium, does that mean we can't do the Donald Duck voice by breathing-in a balloon?

If so, then this really is a national crisis.

http://scubageek.com/articles/wwwheliu.html

7:07 AM, July 25, 2008

Blogger Bee said...

Dear Stefan,

Thanks for this great post. So what do we do when we run out of Helium, what are the alternatives? Best,

B.

10:36 AM, July 25, 2008

Blogger Arun said...

Mine Jupiter's atmosphere or one of its moons?

11:08 AM, July 25, 2008

Blogger Arun said...

The first comment here is interesting:

http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2008/01/07/depletion-of-helium-reserves-threatens-to-ground-nasa-shuttle/

11:13 AM, July 25, 2008

Blogger stefan said...

Thanks for your comments!

Hi Arun,

thanks for pointing out this comment by Phil Kornbluth, which provides a very interesting view on the issue!

Maybe this "helium crisis" is more of an US phenomenon - in the US right now, helium production is decreasing (green curve in the second graph) and just equals demand (red curve), which has been increasing over the last years, but seems to have leveled off now. The point is that right now, the US National helium reserve is being used up (the grey curve in the second graph, which has been scaled down by a factor 1/5). If one extrapolates the current trend, the reserve seems to be used up by 2020 or so.

So what do we do when we run out of Helium, what are the alternatives?

OK, now that there seem to be left many more gas fields that can be exploited to produce helium, even one in Wyoming in the US, there is probably no real danger that we run out of helium.

Moreover, "running out of helium" actually means that we would run out of low-entropy, easily exploitable helium from helium-enriched gas fields.

But there will always be left the huge amount of atmospheric helium, which also can be "harvested", albeit at a higher cost. That's just what Meissner and the Linde group did in the 1920s in Germany, when they had no access to american helium wells for political reasons.

Since "used" helium always escapes back into the fresh air, the atmospheric helium content won't be affected by harvesting helium from the atmosphere. Only problem is that this processing might be quite expensive.

I don't in which technical processes helium could be replaced by other noble gases - but I guess in cryogenics, there is no replacement.

Cheers, Stefan

5:38 AM, July 26, 2008

Blogger Phil Warnell said...

Hi Stefan & Bee,

Since the boiling point of helium is so low as compared to the other noble gases such as argon and krypton, which are extracted as by products in the production of liquid air and its distillation, helium extraction from the atmosphere would prove to be extremely expensive. However, in as the sun is 64% helium , perhaps we could obtain it from there. Of course we could only attempt this at night :-)

Best,

Phil

8:47 AM, July 26, 2008

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi

US seems to be the largest producer and consumer of Helium. Is there a reason and why is the consumption of other countries lower. Is it that they dont do the donal duck:-)

5:11 AM, December 02, 2008

Anonymous Hydrogen Helium Leak Testing said...

A lot of research is yet to be done on helium. By the way thanks for sharing the article and useful helium data.

5:09 AM, November 18, 2009

OpenID singedrac said...

In the last image of this post, it is actually a magnet hovering above a superconductor, not a superconductor hovering above a magnet.

11:32 PM, December 26, 2009

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