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"What a burst! A fresh attempt to see space-time foam with gamma ray bursts."

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Blogger Phillip Helbig said...

Pet peeve: " only be compared to themselves" should be "be compared only to themselves". Otherwise it could mean "they could only be compared; they couldn't be eaten nor seen on television".

In German, this mistake is more difficult to make. If one means "konnten nur mit sich selbst verglichen werden", no-one would say "konnten mit sich selbst nur verglichen werden".

My other pet peeve are missing dashes in two-word adjectives.

7:19 AM, January 13, 2017

Blogger Sabine Hossenfelder said...

Phillip,

Thanks, I fixed that. I hope I've distributed all sub-burst, time-lag, propagation-delay-dashes correctly :o)

8:39 AM, January 13, 2017

Blogger Uncle Al said...

"if they don’t want you to understand what they say" Vacuum refraction, dispersion, dissipation, dichroism, gyrotropy. Noether's theorems leak angular momentum conservation if vacuum is anisotropic in any way. Dark matter is then Milgrom acceleration re the Tully-Fisher relation. "Such quantum gravitational effects are miniscule, but added up over long distances they can become observable" Both are galactic scale only.

Alternative: The burst medium is dispersive at short pathlengths, but the intervening path to Earth is inactive. Cf: Optical rotatory dispersion curves and anomalous dispersion.

Anomalous dispersion (lower refractive index for higher frequencies) suggests a saturated absorption transition.

10:52 AM, January 13, 2017

Blogger Matthew Rapaport said...

Nice article Dr. H. You keep me in touch with interesting and very current work in cosmology and you do it in language (I don't mean English) I can understand!

11:34 AM, January 13, 2017

Blogger Louis Tagliaferro said...

Another informative and interesting article - Thank you

1:01 PM, January 13, 2017

Blogger Robert Nemiroff said...

The existence of temporal lags between energy channels of GRBs at KeV+ energies has been known since the mid-1990s and is not controversial. Over 100 GRBs clearly show these usually sub-second lags, and lags have been shown correlated with the intrinsic brightness of the GRB (Norris, Marani & Bonnell ApJ 2000): shorter lags correlate with intrinsically brighter GRBs. Likely, all GRBs would show lags, but many are hidden because either too few photons are available or no clear and separable pulse structures are evident.

The term "lag" is somewhat deceiving since what usually occurs is a stretching: a GRB pulse typically starts at the same time in every energy band but the lower energies have the same light curve shape stretched out over a longer time.

There is some physics -- likely at the GRB source -- causing the positive lags. The Wei et al. (2016) paper reviewed calls these "intrinsic" lags. The paper then posits that different physics -- LIV -- is causing the negative lags. Perhaps. But it seems plausible to me -- as Bee reviewed -- that similar physics -- at the source -- is causing both the positive and negative lags. As Bee points out and is noted in the paper, it has not been proven that the negative lags are created along the long path from the GRB, and this is crucial for this to be a true test of LIV.

Also, a question that comes to mind is that given that the nature of lags are really stretchings, if the negative lag is caused by LIV then why doesn't it affect the beginning of the pulses?

11:05 PM, January 13, 2017

Blogger Uncle Al said...

Anomalous dispersion snuggles with induced transparency (arXiv:1404.5941 and DOI: 10.1126/science.1208066) that could gate a signal versus frequency.

http://budker.berkeley.edu/Physics138/Christine_Tsai_Self-Induced%20Transparency.ppt

If doubling the pathlength measurably alters observed anomalous dispersion, observe effect versus distance. Local source dimensions are reasonably random with distance, spacetime foam is in cadence - until failure is curve-fit with a more parameters.

9:59 AM, January 14, 2017

Blogger Alexey Fedotov said...

"if Lorentz-invariance is not broken but instead deformed"
Can you please explain the difference betwen broken Lorentz-invariance and deformed Lorentz-invariance?

6:43 AM, January 16, 2017

Blogger Sabine Hossenfelder said...

Alexey,

If Lorentz-invariance is broken, you have a preferred frame. If it's deformed, you don't.

7:07 AM, January 16, 2017

Blogger Matthew Rapaport said...

Seems to me there is a "preferred frame", the equal momentum imparted to everything by the big bang. We even know what motion "in that frame" is, the motion (through the universe) we would have to have to see the CMB coming equally from all directions, a motion now so routinely calculated that most discussion of the CMB doesn't bother to mention it the as early days

11:34 AM, January 16, 2017

Blogger Sabine Hossenfelder said...

Matthew,

Yes, there is a preferred frame which is defined by the motion of matter. But there is - in ordinary General Relativity - no preferred fundamental frame (independent of the matter). If (local) Lorentz-invariance is broken, there is one. Best,

B.

12:58 PM, January 16, 2017

Blogger Matthew Rapaport said...

Hello Dr. H. "No ... fundamental frame independent of the matter" ok. I get that distinction, thanks. But it still seems to me that the preferred frame "of the matter" still allows us to establish a "standard clock" or "global time". This is the reason why a statement like "the universe is 13.8 billion years old" has any meaning.

1:14 PM, January 16, 2017

Blogger Binbin Zhang said...

Hi Dr. H, I am actually the 2nd author of this paper. Thanks for your nice post and all the discussions on our paper and the relevant topics. I enjoyed reading them very much. P.S., we've another comprehensive study on the same GRB: https://arxiv.org/abs/1612.03089.

10:00 PM, January 18, 2017

Blogger Shantanu said...

Can some GRB expert tell me why we haven't yet seen time-dilation in GRB light curves (similar to that in supernova for example, see
astro-ph/9602124)

1:13 PM, January 24, 2017

Blogger Robert Nemiroff said...

There have been claims of cosmological time dilation in GRBs -- some of which I have been involved with, and some of which I believe (but of course I am therefore biased). The measurement is more difficult than it might seem, though, because the variance is large due to the wide variety in GRB attributes. GRBs can be very different, some being tens of seconds long with multiple peaks, and some being much shorter and simpler. (And visa versa.) Additionally, systematic errors can easily dominate. For example brightness-dependent measurement effects, energy-dependent detector thresholds, and background determinations in a tumultuous sea of changes are all important to understand, to name just three.

I sometimes think of measuring time dilation in GRBs as analogous to measuring Hubble's constant (Ho) for nearby galaxies. In that case -- why not just measure galaxy distance and redshift for a bunch of galaxies, divide one by the other, and there you have it! But determining Ho has taken decades and there are still potential systematic effects under study. Similarly, why not just measure GRB durations and brightnesses, plot one against the other, and there you have it! But, sometimes, unfortunately, real science takes years of studying the data to understand it well enough to make a reasonable claim. And sometimes, even after all of that study, typically years for GRBs in my experience, a reasonable claim is not guaranteed.

10:02 AM, January 25, 2017

Blogger Shantanu said...

Robert: Thanks for the nice explanation. Can you point me to 1-2 references regarding this?

11:48 AM, January 25, 2017

Blogger Phillip Helbig said...

You could start with Bob's own papers on gamma-ray bursts.

3:17 AM, January 30, 2017

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