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"Do scientists deliberately use technical expressions so they cannot be understood?"

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Blogger Zephir said...

In AWT the gradual convergence of theoretical strictly deterministic physics into vague and fuzzy postmodern philosophy (if not complete gibberish) is the undeniable consequence of Universe hyperdimensional geometry and its implicit emergent nature - and the physicists can do very little against it (they can still find a better job in time, indeed). It's like the description of scattering of ripples at the water surface at the sufficient distance from observer.

7:29 AM, March 17, 2014

Blogger Boris Borcic said...

Really, this form of criticism and the underlying assumptions should first target so-called legalese - it isn't quite the same thing when technical papers on a far out research limb use language that's perhaps less transparent than it could be to the outsider; it's a rather different thing when such language is meant to rule over the outsider's freedoms while putting in terms the outsider isn't meant to understand.

8:14 AM, March 17, 2014

OpenID alexsisxela said...

Thank you for an excellent and very thoughtful piece.

"Pseudoscientists tend to underestimate just how obvious their lack of knowledge is. It often takes a scientist not more than a sentence to recognize an outsider."

This appears to have bypassed Zephir completely. As do most things.

9:04 AM, March 17, 2014

Blogger Sabine Hossenfelder said...

Yeah, on occasion I've wondered if 'Zephir' is a random postmodernism generator :p But at least for once his comment seems aptly in place.

9:07 AM, March 17, 2014

Blogger J. Swanljung said...

Kristof hasn't got the news that there's no royal road.

9:38 AM, March 17, 2014

Blogger Benjamin Mahala said...

"Could you tell?"

Coming from a theoretical physical chemist grad student:

For the first 'article', I don't know what many of the words mean, but I do know that "compact symmetries" has absolutely nothing to do with "Byzantine fault tolerance" so it is immediately suspect.

For the second one, I DO know what "universality in the statistical physics sense in the vicinity of an ultraviolet renormalization group fixed point" means since I've studied the renormalization group in the context of the classical spin Ising model. So although I don't really understand the point they are trying to make, I can see how they flow from the first sentence to the third, so I can see how it would make sense if I had more background knowledge.

Of course, since I'm not an expert in the field the probability of it being nonsense is still large, but not as large as the first paragraph.

So it looks like to me that being an expert in one scientific field does give you some limited ability to sniff out garbage in other fields (especially if they are relatively close). However, it's very easy to overstep this and say something stupid, which is why most academics don't wander too far outside their fields if they care about their job.

This is probably another reason most academics don't want to speak to the public too much. The public will inevitably ask questions outside the field the academic is comfortable talking about, and even if the academic is reasonably confident about their answer the probability of saying something stupid and hurting themselves is too high. Too much risk for too little reward.

10:14 AM, March 17, 2014

Blogger Uncle Al said...

http://snarxiv.org/vs-arxiv/highscores/ Even with cheating, professional jargon ("the phone book," Phys. Rev.) is impenetrable to outsiders. Insiders must know. The Sokal hoax and word salads are quality control. Production seeks quality assurance.

European weather models are tested by forecasting backwards against known outcomes. American models are forward only. They fail (hurricane tracks). Economics, string theory, SUSY: "I had a guaranteed military sale with ED-209. Renovation program. Spare parts for 25 years. Who cares if it worked or not?" Robocop (1987).

Professional management seeks pure numbers. Knowledge introduces social bias. The able must not be rewarded at the expense of the deserving. Everybody now has two sets of books, or they die. Knowledge is moribund, poisoned by very many very small grasping people.

11:43 AM, March 17, 2014

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11:49 AM, March 17, 2014

Blogger Plato Hagel said...

Your just reliving the Sokal affair.

If you don't want to linguistically tie language to mathematics and not share it with the public, of course, that is one's prerogative. But if you want research money, I would think you would want to be extremely clear about your proposals. To show some track record that the language you choose is fairly accurate to current research, as a writer, set the stage for your beliefs versus the framework and model you choose to advance perception regarding the areas you are working in.

It's sort of like holding a standard(a motto perhaps) not just in the development of your science( some sign over your school doorway:) but to be as simplistically clear as possible, without denigrating that science. So are you saying it can't be done or that as a scientist are they are purposely being misleading?

I think that would be to their detriment.

11:53 AM, March 17, 2014

Blogger Plato Hagel said...

Science's discovery, are like plots of land on some planet or moon?

Just a side note to selling plots of land on mars there is an international treaty agreed upon about that:) as a question for some of your journalist fans. :)

Sincerely,

Plato's Nightlight Mining company:)

12:04 PM, March 17, 2014

Blogger Plato Hagel said...

Thanks MarkusM

Bee you might want to chime in with your blog posts concerning this. You go way back too?:)

1:35 PM, March 17, 2014

Blogger Phillip Helbig said...

"The PhD defense is much like losing your virginity, vastly overrated. It looms big in your future, but once in the past you note that nobody gives a shit."

I'll add this to my collection of quotable quotes.

There is a difference, though. In academia, rightly or wrongly, virgins aren't as highly valued.

2:11 PM, March 17, 2014

Blogger L. Edgar Otto said...

This is a good topic to ask what next after hype of such fundamental discoveries.

Can anyone if we are immersed at a reduction to some idea of cause or history, some extention of a point in the E concept of energy transfer as explosion or doubled explosion that like a particular star our coherent view would see other persisting constellations from other stars?

Can we make s program that would remove from a body of text that with scientific certainty would as logic remove (thus be said to falsify) papers that seem to be "pseudo-science "?
Regardless of the nature of words.

As replicative beings the struggle to defend territory as important as immigrants of the future or the masses filling historical space as a blindly lustful instinctually invasive species until there are no more frontiers or bases and castles not breached, or alpha male harums left in the care of eunuchs while corrupt empires fall or rise in turn.

What is this CMB evidence but a bedsheet of blood as social proof of virginity at the consummation of the wedding day? Or the Higgs as forensic evidence in finer technology for who is the daddy?

The word 'rhea' by the monotheistic God created the world in the ' beginning '. Biblical King James English. Or word did so as three dimensional quarks and dimensions 'logos ' , somewhat polytheistic New Testament interpretation.

What, considering that so much is an unknown god or multiverse is still not understood (E &B its double forms and monopoles. ) that we creatures of space half or double values as a common conceptual mistake at the heart of half a deck errors in equations micro and macro that we still can only speculate what came before the Planck scale.

Is cosmology or God an opponents in an advanced (to us) computer chess game? Or a pointless gamble where the bank always wins.?

As we sacrifice our virgins to higher dimensional volcanoes and in the name of fertility say the unknown is non linear and hysteria, none of this swan song of Nobel Prizes represented by ladies, we blokes should ask ourselves if we are aware we are suffering from "old hymenizers " disease.

4:34 PM, March 17, 2014

Blogger Wild Bill said...

Thank you again for an excellent article on a subject of importance. One further point: you don't need a specialist vocabulary to be turgid. Writing clearly is difficult, even when using everyday language.

Another problem when communicating science to the unwashed is using everyday words which also have specialist meaning. What confusion has arisen by physicists using the word "theory"! Too late to fix now, but you guys should always be on your guard.

5:15 PM, March 17, 2014

Blogger Sabine Hossenfelder said...

Plato,

No, I have no plans on covering the topic. I don't really see the point on repeating what has been reported on in other places already. I'm not a news outlet and have no intentions to become one. Best,

B.

5:21 AM, March 18, 2014

Blogger Sabine Hossenfelder said...

Wild,

Yes, that's a good point indeed. Sometimes the 'professional' terms also have an every-day meaning, which causes much communication problems. Theory isn't such a great example because even scientists don't exactly agree on what they mean with it, but take a word like 'significant' or the infamous 'data manipulation'. Best,

B.

5:24 AM, March 18, 2014

Blogger Plato Hagel said...

Hi Bee,

You know I hold you as much more then a news agency?:)I learn a lot from you, so I think your technical expressions came through quite nicely.

Since E and B denote the relationship between the polarization amplitude and direction, warping due to lensing creates B-modes Secondary CMB Anisotropy PDF

See: Wayne Hu Primer

This should ring a bell? Perhaps, the ways in which one may look at the cosmos? This developing scenario is in a sense , an accomplishment not just in how far back we can go, but of how new tools brought to bear helped us to see the cosmos in interesting new ways.

So the question might have been in relation too, "spectral geometry?"

Quantum Gravity on a Quantum Computer?

Shape from sound: toward new tools for quantum gravity

Now most certainly, you must see why I would want a scientist like yourself to weigh in? :)

Best,


7:12 AM, March 18, 2014

Blogger Plato Hagel said...

How far back in time Bee?

Surely, looking at the WMAP is more then looking at a 2d surface? Hearing the shape of the drum?

If you want to look into the "internal structure of the sun" how might one want to do that?

Thanks for everything Bee?

7:22 AM, March 18, 2014

Blogger Plato Hagel said...

Of and finally, I really liked your Listen to Spacetime....and hearing the shape of the drum.:)

7:32 AM, March 18, 2014

Blogger Phillip Helbig said...

"No, I have no plans on covering the topic. I don't really see the point on repeating what has been reported on in other places already. I'm not a news outlet and have no intentions to become one."

When I start my blog, what I certainly will not do is a post just mentioning something for which more detailed information is available elsewhere. I would only mention it if I had something to contribute. In general, it will be a high signal-to-noise blog. No pictures of cats. :-)

1:14 PM, March 18, 2014

Blogger L. Edgar Otto said...

We seem to parse languages and signals by various models similar to systems and interpretations of fundamental physics.

Alphabet systems vary widely with few or many letters much like chromosomes dividing text or rules of syntax that bind the coherences of concepts as low space dimensions which sets then evolves space as a grounding first system of language.

Before and beyond minimal units of meaning that seems to have periods of inflation yet questions of ultimate origins (minimal but turgid in compactifications or expansions adjacent to clearly coherent systems).

An important idea is that an individual mind establishes language with words that work true to the inner logic so to understand as self systems before fundamental ideas can be communicated to others who may not be able to understand another's language and symbol system.

Negative encounter of a systems evaluation is also useful to some degree. But without s careful stance in balance to wider model concepts we may see a text as turgid in its natural sense - a bloated dead animal on a hot summer day stinking and full of flies.

By parallel analogy can we really say the expansion of space, galaxies as if dots on a balloon growing further apart
unto isolation born and lost by light, I'd really the same turgid analogy as such isolation in a deeper acceleration of ideas as dark fluid cosmology and half sensible multiverses of inflation?

But the spirit of confirmation of small steps in speculations foreseen is more productive for inquiry for it also affirms the value of all if us as human and the worth of individuals whose work is inquiry. I feel the joy and toast to this rare awakening joy of life.

We can treat our conceptual languages in shorthands like numbered essential words but as we face a post alphanumeric and post economic awakening the one idea I was going to ask before this comment explosion of words was :

What would be the minimum words (roots like time or space like words) that can convey and cover a shared but adapating language? I suspect these are surprisingly few.

1:30 PM, March 18, 2014

Blogger L. Edgar Otto said...

I agree that other than communicating a clear and original idea the vast referencing in a paper can be a waste of time and newsprint.

Funding is all important (and praise to England in recent support for new collided experiments.) I simply do not think the cosmic observations make these projects pointlessly obsolete. But in offering a view that needs funding and access to one's own work some obscurification between how much to bid to peers between proposals from their researches released (even if the rationed release solely to renew funding) seems the current climate.

The language problem far from originality can rapidly inflate what are reductions or expansions in systems that address symmetries.

Basic English becomes long winded with few words and no verbs, quite idiomatic still needing proper names and technical terms. So some symmetry is lost in the translations.

Or in a minimized irreducible subjective language system the symmetry can get long winded yet also short of formalized conceptual idioms lose something in the translation

So instead of offering such a universally used sample of linguistic comparable text I will go directly to a casual translation from such a language hidden in the processes between translations. Can anyone recognize the terser passage translated from common English?

(We as a part of a higher or unknown realm so assert transcending unities of Being emerged as faith or given eureka moments that there is an absolute in our living to which the best of life in our dreams of hope so obtain, where in this universe si ordains inflation's here thus hereafter; our brief interval sufficient for our needs, indifferent our shared frailty of errors that we need not in the main return to infinite darkness before our day.

One consolation sums laws that life life goes on beyond us, our love and suffering unto our children.

So in the song we sing fret not that the music may not return to sign. )

5:38 PM, March 18, 2014

Blogger Andrew said...

I was really worried for a moment - I read the second one and thought it made perfect sense!

8:42 PM, March 19, 2014

Blogger hush said...

You want to visit any number of different locations just once
with the shortest distance to accomplish this.

There. I translated the Google entry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_optimization

No, readers insist no translation occurred. I agree. I was mistaken.

6:28 PM, March 25, 2014

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