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"Guest Post: Anne Green"

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Anonymous Uncle Al said...

Detecting massive non-thermalized particles whose only first order interaction is gravitational is a right proper pisser. Let's have a really silly idea! Can shot/zero point noise be reduced enough for Dark Matter to matter? Use a DLP chip as a massively parallel nulled interferometer.

How much collision is required to tip (a very deeply cryogenic mirror) enough to matter - or plain plane micro-mirrors without their electronics?

Three (arrays of) orthogonal chips hint at detecting overall flux directionality. Similar for cantilevered ultramicrobalance arrays.

4:56 PM, February 25, 2007

Blogger Chanda said...

Hi Anne,

I just wanted to second what you say about class being a major issue. And reading your post makes me realize that I wish I had spent more time in my Cosmic Variance post talking about the socioeconomic component of my discussion about diversity. As a woman of colour from a working class background, I sometimes forget that while the links are obvious to me, they aren't obvious to everyone. In my discussion there, I implicitly assumed that people would recognize that the race issue is also a class issue, but I realize now that I should be more careful about that!

And of course, there is a large working class white community that gets ignored, which doesn't help race relations in the US at all, I think. I imagine the same is true both here in Canada and in the UK of GB.

I enjoyed reading your post and bravo to you for being unafraid to focus on the classism of our community. Also, I am glad to see your comments about Oxford. It's unfortunate that it wasn't tons of fun, but I had a similar experience at Harvard, and it's nice to know I'm not the only one who felt that way.

On the other hand, as I recall from seeing you around PI, you didn't let the Oxbridge attitude change your ideas, and hopefully, you're really proud of that.

Chanda

3:38 AM, February 26, 2007

Blogger nige said...

Liked the bit about your efforts to study the further pure maths A-level to get to Oxford to read physics.... at my school, although I wanted to become a physicist, the only maths course with a spare place was pure + statistical applications (the statistics was Students t test, Chi squared, Gaussian, Poisson, etc., no hint of anything like Fermi-Dirac or Maxwell-Boltzmann). So it wasn't even possible to take pure + mechanics.

After getting physics A-level, I had to sit two papers on separate dates for an A.E.B. open examination in London (with my passport to prove identity) to get pure + applied (mechanics) A-level, which I passed. The great thing exam based qualifications is that even if your school don't offer it, you can take it independently. There is far too much money given in the British state education system to pretty useless teaching in less than useful subjects. I've never understood anything I've been taught by a maths teacher (they were all that bad); the only way was working through the syllabus for the exam using good textbooks.

A Financial Times report, http://www.ft.com/cms/s/ac360f68-58c5-11db-b70f-0000779e2340.html, says:

Physics A-level will not be needed for degree
By Jon Boone, Education -Correspondent

Published: October 11 2006 03:00 | Last updated: October 11 2006 03:00

Students without A-levels in maths and physics are from next year to be offered a new physics-based degree as part of an effort to boost science subjects and the UK's economic competitiveness. ...

The University of East Anglia, London South Bank University, University of Leicester and the University of Surrey will each offer about 30 places for the course next year.

Science, technology, engineering and maths have all been struggling against waning interest from school leavers. The number of physics undergraduates did not increase between 1999 and 2004 in spite of rapid growth in the university population as a whole. Engineering fell 3 per cent over the same period, maths 11 per cent and chemistry 20 per cent.

Prof Alan Smithers, director of the centre for education and employment studies at Buckingham University, warned earlier this year that physics could be in "terminal decline" because of too few trained physicists teaching in state schools and the single-science GCSE. [end]

The "physic in terminal decline" report is: http://www.buckingham.ac.uk/news/newsarchive2006/ceer-physics-2.html, and a list of stories is at http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=physics+a-level+decline&meta=

11:26 AM, February 26, 2007

Blogger nige said...

Sorry for the typos: my comment above should obviously say "even if your school doesn't offer it, you can take it independently". I will have to start reading comments slowly and carefully before submitting them.

11:32 AM, February 26, 2007

Blogger stefan said...

Dear Anne,


thank you for pointing out the issue of social background! I wasn't quite aware of it. But definitely, it is of growing importance in Germany...

Best regards, stefan

6:49 PM, February 26, 2007

Anonymous Anonymous said...

How come there are so many Greens physicists?

12:28 AM, February 27, 2007

Blogger Rae Ann said...

Thanks Anne for sharing your story! Sometimes people don't realize how difficult it can be to 'rise up' from a rural background. It certainly takes as much determination as talent, and I admire your determination to overcome obstacles. Good luck in your further studies!

8:08 AM, February 27, 2007

Anonymous Anne said...

Thanks for the comments. I just wanted to expand on a couple of things (mainly in case there are any would-be physicists reading this).

Re. the class issue: I don't think universities, and the physics community, are "classist" in the sense of there being discrimination, or barriers which universities are directly responsible for. (Although some of the older institutions could probably widen their appeal by jettisoning some of their more arcane traditions....). The issue arises at a much earlier stage. Many teenagers don't realise that University in general, and physics in particular, is an option for them. And even if they do the short-term appeal of paid work (and cars, girls/boys and/or drugs...) can outweigh the more nebulous long term benefits of further education.


In the UK at least, universitities are putting significant effort into "widening participation", through initiatives like the
Sutton Trust Summer Schools
(which give potential students from non-traditional backgrounds a taster of university life). The point I was trying to make was that as physicists we should be trying to engage the wider population.



Re. "Further Maths": [This probably isn't going to be comprehensible/interesting to anyone outside of the UK.] Universities realise that not everyone has the opportunity to study further maths and (with the exception of Maths at Cambridge) I'm not aware of any degree courses for which it's a compulsory entry requirement. And to be honest it probably wouldn't have made any difference to my life/career if I hadn't been able to do it. On the other hand the material covered is good preparation for University level maths and physics, and I enjoyed doing it, so in my opinion it would be good if it were more widely available.
The Further Mathematicles network appears to be development in this direction (but I must confess that I know nothing about it other than its existence).

Uncle Al: If WIMPs could only interact gravitationaly then I'd agree that WIMP detection experiments would be a silly idea. But we expect that they do interact with conventional matter, albeit weakly, and actually the fact that experiments haven't yet found a (convincing) signal is already providing constraints on particle physics models.


Anonymous: There are lots of Greens in physics (and there's even another Anne Green!). It's a common name though, so I've no idea whether the excess of Greens is statistically significant or not.

Anne

5:23 PM, February 27, 2007

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