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"Book review: “The Universe Within” by Neil Turok"

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Blogger Unknown said...

Lol "well indented"

9:20 AM, September 30, 2012

Blogger John Baez said...

Well indented?! That's either the best "damning by faint praise" I've heard in years, or a typo for "well intentioned".

12:21 PM, September 30, 2012

Blogger Bee said...

Thanks, I've fixed the typo.

12:38 PM, September 30, 2012

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1:36 PM, September 30, 2012

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1:43 PM, September 30, 2012

Blogger Phil Warnell said...

Hi Bee,

A fairly scathing review I would say, which has me to wonder perhaps if it’s in part more of a matter of one not being a member of the author’s target audience. That is from a public lecture I attended of Neil’s I gathered the impression of him as being a better pitch man for scientific research than he was as an actual disseminator of it. I would admit like you my sentiments rest with thinking there’s a need for more disseminators and yet also recognize there’s a much greater body of people who have no wish to have science to be understood, yet rather the best one can hope for is them coming away having it being found important and necessary. That is my take on Neil’s general mission, if we can call it one, is not so much working towards having a scientific centric world become realized, yet simply a wish to have more in the world given the opportunity to contribute to what it has been able to thus far provide us with. So as much as I’d hate to admit it Neil’s goal is probably more realistic and thus has me wondering if it’s the scope of his aspiration more than the content which leaves you disappointed.


Best,

Phil

1:47 PM, September 30, 2012

Blogger davidb said...

Mary Shelley started writing Frankenstein while in Geneva and finished in England. She moved to Italy shortly after it was published, in 1818. So the confusion is understandable.

What would be a good cosmology book for somebody who's not a physicist, but has read QM and GR at the undergraduate level, and wants more than a popular-level intro? Thanks.

3:10 PM, September 30, 2012

Blogger Plato Hagel said...

As you must know Turok and Steinhardt
had something they shared? This is back in 2004.

Best,

1:24 AM, October 01, 2012

Blogger Bee said...

Hi Plato,

Yes, they also wrote a book together (which I didn't read). Best,

B.

1:26 AM, October 01, 2012

Blogger Plato Hagel said...

See Also:The Steinhardt–Turok model

Maybe not a multiverse but a cyclical universe?

1:29 AM, October 01, 2012

Blogger Plato Hagel said...

Turok was in good company with Veneziano and Penrose.:)

1:30 AM, October 01, 2012

Blogger Bee said...

Hi Phil,

I have no problem with Turok's mission, to the extend that I can extract it from his book and having met him a few times, I think my opinion on the relevance of basic research largely overlaps with his.

The problem with this so-called book is that it's a) dramatically overpraised by the editor b) not really a book (it's a writeup of some radio lectures that pretends to be a book) and c) he's making his case so badly, that I'm not sure it's actually of benefit to advance his mission.

As I said, just having finished reading Mark Henderson's book, let me tell you how he leads the argument: He's got a long list of outcomes of basic research that were unplanned that literally changed the world. He's got data that correlate investment in basic research with economic prosperity. And he walks the reader through this till the only thing you can say is: Okay, got it, we need basic research even if researchers can't come up with a three year plan. Unfortunately, as I said, most of Henderson's data is from the UK. And what is missing in Henderson's book, besides a more global view, is that knowledge by itself has a value for people, if it is properly communicated. And Turok kind of says that, here and there, but really the message doesn't come across very clearly. Now I'll not blame him for not writing the book that I would have liked to read, but I'm left wondering then really what's the point of this book. Best,

B.

1:45 AM, October 01, 2012

Blogger Bee said...

Extent. When will I learn this?

1:46 AM, October 01, 2012

Blogger Phillip Helbig said...

"Extent. When will I learn this?"

Stuff with "ent" are nouns; stuff with "end" are verbs (that is, this is usually the case if these are the two forms in question---obviously, "indent" is a verb, but the noun is indentation.

3:06 AM, October 01, 2012

Blogger Phillip Helbig said...

There seem to be quite a few new popular-science books which suffer from bad editing and the other problems you mention.

3:36 AM, October 01, 2012

Blogger Phillip Helbig said...

"old Greeks"

This should be "ancient Greeks"; otherwise, you mean present-day Greeks who are old.

3:37 AM, October 01, 2012

Blogger Phillip Helbig said...

While Mary Shelley certainly passed by the castle during her travels, whether or not it was the origin of the name Frankenstein in her novel is, as far as I know, not clear. Maybe she just liked the sound of the name, which is not a common name in Germany but not extremely rare. (When I studied physics in Hamburg, a fellow student was named Frankenstein.)

6:03 AM, October 01, 2012

Blogger Arun said...

Ran a truck over Turok :)

8:18 AM, October 01, 2012

Blogger Plato Hagel said...

euphemism for Turok who had no control over what he would like to have said and that events were greater then himself as to the meanings of what he wanted to say....Frankenstein as also a Euphemism about the trend toward automatons being developed in a future as seen by imbuing a quality of life into manufactured people...who knows....precursors to the future about robotic and digital transference with regard to further developing people? :)

10:46 AM, October 01, 2012

Blogger Bee said...

Hi David B,

I guess Sean Carroll's book or lecture notes would serve you well. I also really like this book, but I doesn't seem to come in an English version. Best,

B.

10:59 AM, October 02, 2012

Blogger davidb said...

Thanks. I've read Spacetime & Geometry. Where's material about inflation, or what was before that?

7:28 AM, October 03, 2012

Blogger Bee said...

Hi David,

Mukhanov deals with inflation, but I haven't actually read the book so can't tell how useful it is. Pre-inflationary scenarios, I don't think these have made it into textbooks yet. Penrose's recent book talks about his version thereof, but nothing else comes to my mind, sorry. Best,

B.

8:06 AM, October 03, 2012

Blogger Plato Hagel said...

Here's link for Neil Turok and Paul Kennedy at Perimeter

Enjoy:)

8:11 AM, October 10, 2012

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