"presence of additional dimensions of space, which is a prediction of string theory"
Of course, this prediction is not unique to string theory.
By the way, the first hit returned by Google for "parakeet string theory" (without the quotes) returns an interesting article. Check it out.
I see that, along with Thomas Gold and Freeman Dyson, Lovelace is one of the few scientists one could truly call pioneers who doesn't have a doctorate.
...2) Specific enthalpies near zero kelvin. ...3) Blackbody radiation curves, cosmic microwave background. ...4) Etalons; hyper-reflection and zero-reflection optical stacks on mirrors and lenses, Casimir effect. ...5) Optical combs coupling atomic clocks to frequency measurements. ...6) The impedance of free space. ...7) Lamb shift, hydrogen atom and U(+91).
I’m no fan of string theory and I believe you aren’t either; yet there is a potential benefit I try to keep in mind when I think about the resources going into it. I am a big believer in learning a lot more from our failures than successes; with that in mind I try to remember string theory is going to teach us a an awful lot!
Although Dr. Hossenfelder is accused of being overly negative at times, her reviews of questionable theories serve to keep us grounded and sane in a time of increasing scientific hype and hyperbole. Her views on string theory and BE condensates are a perfect example of her tempered outlook, and she is to be commended for it.
Around 25 years ago I saw a paper that claimed to measure the number of spatial dimensions, which was found to equal 3 with one part in 10^20. What they really did was a precision measurement of the exponent in Coulomb's law, which equalled 2 within that error bar. Probably a solid but not terribly exciting experiment, but a somewhat unconventional way to state the result.
On reading the title of this post I was quite excited, and eagerly plunged into the article. The first few paragraphs had me riding on a crest of optimism, imagining of a major advance in our understanding of the universe. But, alas, a reality check, in the final sentences, intruded on such pleasant daydreams. Thank you, Bee, for bringing us down to earth on these inadequately thought out experimental proposals.
Sadly, the authors probably achieved their purpose with the outlandish claim that they're testing for extra dimensions. Without it, you, and others, wouldn't have noticed the paper; or at least, you wouldn't have written about it. They're following the terrible, but somewhat true, maxim: "no publicity is bad publicity".
It seems to me that all the conditions required to show the hidden dimensions expected by string theory are meet in condensed matter physics using the bosonic quasiparticle called the Surface Plasmon Polariton (SPP). This boson can form non-equilibrium Bose-Einstein condensates at room temperature and beyond.
In “Oscillatory behavior of the specific heat at low temperature in quasiperiodic structures” E.L. Albuquerquea;∗, C.G. Bezerraa, P.W. Maurizb, M.S. Vasconcelos, a structure featuring 11 level discontinuity in specific heat as predicted by the Mexican paper is shown to exist.
The behavior of a variety of particles or quasi-particles (electrons, phonons, photons, polaritons, magnons, etc.) has been and is currently being studied in quasi-periodic systems. A fascinating feature of these quasi-periodic structures is that they exhibit collective properties not shared by their constituent parts.
Furthermore, the long-range correlations induced by the construction of these systems are expected to be reflected to some degree in their various spectra, designing a novel description of disorder. A common factor shared by all these excitations is a complex fractal energy spectrum.
Could this discontinuous fractal based specific heat spectrum of SPPs be exposing the higher dimensions of reality as predicted by the Mexicans?
"... the presence of extra dimensions of space, which is a prediction of string theory ..." I have conjectured that string theory with the infinite nature hypothesis implies supersymmetry, extra dimensions of space, and no MOND, while string theory with the finite nature hypothesis implies MOND, no supersymmetry, and no extra dimensions of space (i.e. the extra dimensions are involved in the description of Wolfram's automaton using the monster group, the 6 pariah groups, and 3 copies of the Leech lattice but the extra dimensions are entirely virtual). Google "witten milgrom" and "kroupa milgrom".
Thanks for this analysis! Unfortunately there are these papers with too much "sensation" and not enough "doing the math". Ideally these would be weeded out in the peer review process. In reality, what happens is the authors resubmit to other journals until a reviewer sleeps and the manuscript gets published.
"thermodynamical properties of plasmon–polaritons that propagate in multiple semiconductor layers arranged in a quasi-periodical fashion of Fibonacci and Thue–Morse types." Support for String theory multiple dimensions then suggests anomalous "multiscale fractal energy spectra," No EM or massed anomalies are observed to the limits of measurement in a broad selection of venues I listed above.
Anomalous spacetime geometry detected within achievable boundary conditions can falsifying a physics postulate, e.g. Euclid versus non-Euclidean geometries. Physics furiously rejects experiments designed to violate Tommy Aquinas-invested existing theory lacking empirical validation.
In response to your request for data supporting theoretical predictions of discontinuity in the specific heat of polariton/plasmonic based Bose condensates, please consider this example of specific heat discontinuity in a family of solid state systems showing the associated onset of unconventional superconductivity.
Specific heat discontinuity, ΔC, at Tc in BaFe2(As0.7P0.3)2—consistent with unconventional superconductivity
Bose condensation is solid state systems might fill the need for use as a research tool to show string theory productions.
3:03 PM, August 04, 2017
[Image]
Fluorescence image of
Bose-Einstein-Condensate.
Image Credits: Stefan Kuhr and Immanuel Bloch, MPQ
String theory is infamously detached from experiment. But in a new paper, a group from Mexico put forward a proposal to change that
String theory phenomenology and quantum many–body systems
Sergio Gutiérrez, Abel Camacho, Héctor Hernández
arXiv:1707.07757 [gr-qc]
Ahead, let me be clear they don’t want to test string theory, but the presence of additional dimensions of space, which is a prediction of string theory.
In the paper, the authors calculate how additional space-like dimensions affect a condensate of ultra-cold atoms, known as Bose-Einstein-Condensate. At such low temperatures, the atoms transition to a state where their quantum wave-function acts as one and the system begins to display quantum effects, such as interference, throughout.
In the presence of extra-dimensions, every particle’s wave-function has higher harmonics because the extra-dimensions have to close up, in the simplest case like circles. The particle’s wave-functions have to fit into the extra dimensions, meaning their wave-length must be an integer fraction of the radius.
Each of the additional dimensions has a radius of about a Planck length, which is 10-35m or 15 orders of magnitude smaller than what even the LHC can probe. To excite these higher harmonics, you correspondingly need an energy of 1015 TeV, or 15 orders of magnitude higher than what the LHC can produce.
How do the extra-dimensions of string theory affect the ultra-cold condensate? They don’t. That’s because at those low temperatures there is no way you can excite any of the higher harmonics. Heck, even the total energy of the condensates presently used isn’t high enough. There’s a reason string theory is famously detached from experiment – because it’s a damned high energy you must reach to see stringy effects!
So what’s the proposal in the paper then? There isn’t one. They simply ignore that the higher harmonics can’t be excited and make a calculation. Then they estimate that one needs a condensate of about a thousand particles to measure a discontinuity in the specific heat, which depends on the number of extra-dimensions.
It’s probably correct that this discontinuity depends on the number of extra-dimensions. Unfortunately the authors don’t go back and check what’s the mass per particle in the condensate that’s needed to make this work. I’ve put in the numbers and get something like a million tons. That gigantic mass becomes necessary because it has to combine with the miniscule temperature of about a nano-Kelvin to have a geometric mean that exceeds the Planck mass.
In summary: Sorry, but nobody’s going to test string theory with Bose-Einstein-Condensates.
posted by Sabine Hossenfelder at 7:43 AM on Jul 28, 2017
"New paper claims string theory can be tested with Bose-Einstein-Condensates"
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"presence of additional dimensions of space, which is a prediction of string theory"
Of course, this prediction is not unique to string theory.
By the way, the first hit returned by Google for "parakeet string theory" (without the quotes) returns an interesting article. Check it out.
I see that, along with Thomas Gold and Freeman Dyson, Lovelace is one of the few scientists one could truly call pioneers who doesn't have a doctorate.
9:59 AM, July 28, 2017
I'm impressed Dr. H! Hope you are doing well. Thanks for the reality check
10:18 AM, July 28, 2017
"the presence of additional space-like dimension affects" afford additional thermodynamic degrees of freedom.
...1) Simple molecules’ vacuum rotational and vibrational spectra (microwave, IR, Raman, fluorescence; room temperature, supersonic vacuum expansion-cooled to ~1 kelvin). Monoisotopic iodine, I_2:
http://www.e-opthos.com/wavemeters.htm
...10^(-7) precision in 1978.
http://kb.osu.edu/dspace/handle/1811/30672
...2005
https://inspirehep.net/record/819093/plots
...2010
https://inspirehep.net/record/1317194/plots
...2015
...2) Specific enthalpies near zero kelvin.
...3) Blackbody radiation curves, cosmic microwave background.
...4) Etalons; hyper-reflection and zero-reflection optical stacks on mirrors and lenses, Casimir effect.
...5) Optical combs coupling atomic clocks to frequency measurements.
...6) The impedance of free space.
...7) Lamb shift, hydrogen atom and U(+91).
11:00 AM, July 28, 2017
I’m no fan of string theory and I believe you aren’t either; yet there is a potential benefit I try to keep in mind when I think about the resources going into it. I am a big believer in learning a lot more from our failures than successes; with that in mind I try to remember string theory is going to teach us a an awful lot!
1:13 PM, July 28, 2017
Although Dr. Hossenfelder is accused of being overly negative at times, her reviews of questionable theories serve to keep us grounded and sane in a time of increasing scientific hype and hyperbole. Her views on string theory and BE condensates are a perfect example of her tempered outlook, and she is to be commended for it.
1:53 PM, July 28, 2017
Around 25 years ago I saw a paper that claimed to measure the number of spatial dimensions, which was found to equal 3 with one part in 10^20. What they really did was a precision measurement of the exponent in Coulomb's law, which equalled 2 within that error bar. Probably a solid but not terribly exciting experiment, but a somewhat unconventional way to state the result.
9:48 AM, July 29, 2017
On reading the title of this post I was quite excited, and eagerly plunged into the article. The first few paragraphs had me riding on a crest of optimism, imagining of a major advance in our understanding of the universe. But, alas, a reality check, in the final sentences, intruded on such pleasant daydreams. Thank you, Bee, for bringing us down to earth on these inadequately thought out experimental proposals.
1:32 PM, July 29, 2017
Exactly the kind of blog posts I love and come here for :-)
Keep up the good work.
1:40 PM, July 30, 2017
Sadly, the authors probably achieved their purpose with the outlandish claim that they're testing for extra dimensions. Without it, you, and others, wouldn't have noticed the paper; or at least, you wouldn't have written about it. They're following the terrible, but somewhat true, maxim: "no publicity is bad publicity".
1:05 PM, August 01, 2017
It seems to me that all the conditions required to show the hidden dimensions expected by string theory are meet in condensed matter physics using the bosonic quasiparticle called the Surface Plasmon Polariton (SPP). This boson can form non-equilibrium Bose-Einstein condensates at room temperature and beyond.
In “Oscillatory behavior of the specific heat at low temperature in quasiperiodic structures” E.L. Albuquerquea;∗, C.G. Bezerraa, P.W. Maurizb, M.S. Vasconcelos, a structure featuring 11 level discontinuity in specific heat as predicted by the Mexican paper is shown to exist.
The behavior of a variety of particles or quasi-particles (electrons, phonons, photons, polaritons, magnons, etc.) has been and is currently being studied in quasi-periodic systems. A fascinating feature of these quasi-periodic structures is that they exhibit collective properties not shared by their constituent parts.
Furthermore, the long-range correlations induced by the construction of these systems are expected to be reflected to some degree in their various spectra, designing a novel description of disorder. A common factor shared by all these excitations is a complex fractal energy spectrum.
Could this discontinuous fractal based specific heat spectrum of SPPs be exposing the higher dimensions of reality as predicted by the Mexicans?
11:55 AM, August 02, 2017
"... the presence of extra dimensions of space, which is a prediction of string theory ..." I have conjectured that string theory with the infinite nature hypothesis implies supersymmetry, extra dimensions of space, and no MOND, while string theory with the finite nature hypothesis implies MOND, no supersymmetry, and no extra dimensions of space (i.e. the extra dimensions are involved in the description of Wolfram's automaton using the monster group, the 6 pariah groups, and 3 copies of the Leech lattice but the extra dimensions are entirely virtual). Google "witten milgrom" and "kroupa milgrom".
2:11 PM, August 02, 2017
Thanks for this analysis! Unfortunately there are these papers with too much "sensation" and not enough "doing the math". Ideally these would be weeded out in the peer review process. In reality, what happens is the authors resubmit to other journals until a reviewer sleeps and the manuscript gets published.
4:11 AM, August 03, 2017
@Axil DOI:10.1016/j.physa.2004.06.004
"thermodynamical properties of plasmon–polaritons that propagate in multiple semiconductor layers arranged in a quasi-periodical fashion of Fibonacci and Thue–Morse types." Support for String theory multiple dimensions then suggests anomalous "multiscale fractal energy spectra," No EM or massed anomalies are observed to the limits of measurement in a broad selection of venues I listed above.
Anomalous spacetime geometry detected within achievable boundary conditions can falsifying a physics postulate, e.g. Euclid versus non-Euclidean geometries. Physics furiously rejects experiments designed to violate Tommy Aquinas-invested existing theory lacking empirical validation.
10:55 AM, August 03, 2017
@Uncle Al
In response to your request for data supporting theoretical predictions of discontinuity in the specific heat of polariton/plasmonic based Bose condensates, please consider this example of specific heat discontinuity in a family of solid state systems showing the associated onset of unconventional superconductivity.
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0953-8984/23/22/222201
Specific heat discontinuity, ΔC, at Tc in BaFe2(As0.7P0.3)2—consistent with unconventional superconductivity
Bose condensation is solid state systems might fill the need for use as a research tool to show string theory productions.
3:03 PM, August 04, 2017