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Blogger Uncle Al said...

"It seems to me this scientific invasion of solar privacy deserves to be called..." paparapsis!

11:41 AM, July 29, 2013

Blogger Plato Hagel said...

cool info :)

12:57 PM, July 29, 2013

Blogger Rastus Odinga Odinga said...

I don't mean to sound rude.... but isn't this work rather boring? I mean, isn't the existence of planets around other stars exactly what you would expect? Now if they found that *no* star other than our own had planets, *that* would be interesting... but this stuff is like mounting an expensive expedition to the Amazon to find out whether the trees there are green.

9:51 PM, July 29, 2013

Blogger Sabine Hossenfelder said...

Rastus,

Your comment is an interesting example for what is called hindsight bias in the psychology literature. If you look at the history of the field, you'll find that until two decades ago or so, this was totally not what most scientists expected. Systems like our own, with several planets, one of which of Earth size and in the "habitable zone" where thought to be rare.

I'm generally not a fan of "mediocrity" arguments which isn't anything but an attempt to make the non-scientific statement "that's what we expect" into a scientific statement. "What we expect" doesn't replace collecting data and looking at the facts. Sure, people expected something then, and they expect something now, but it's one thing to believe and another thing to know. Another interesting question (imo) is whether our sun is typical. (See eg this recent paper.)

I'll not go about and advertise the Kepler mission because it's not my terrain. I'll just encourage you to look at the website to see what has been learned from the observations so far. And no, I have not the slightest intention to start working on exoplanets. I'll leave it to you to interpret what that means for just how interesting I think this research is...

Best,

B.

3:25 AM, July 30, 2013

Blogger Zephir said...

"existence of planets around other stars"

it's not equivalent to

"Systems like our own, with several planets, one of which of Earth size and in the "habitable zone" where thought to be rare"

5:50 AM, July 30, 2013

Blogger Phillip Helbig said...

I think it's fair to say that no planets would be the more unexpected find. Maybe what was found was not completely expected, but there were no really robust predictions. So this is interesting (if one is interested in such things), but not game-changing. I agree with Sabine though that one does need to confirm one's expectations.

12:22 PM, July 30, 2013

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4:30 PM, July 30, 2013

Blogger Kris Krogh said...

Hi Bee,

Thanks for a fascinating post. I learned a lot.

I certainly agree with your response to Rastus on hindsight bias. Afraid it plays a huge role in physics.

I'm old enough to remember when it was widely believed that planets around stars might be very rare -- a popular extrapolation from the hard fact that no one had seen any. It was a common remark that we should consider ourselves extremely lucky to find ourselves near a star with planets, and one where life is possible.

My high school Earth Science teacher also told us how amazing it is that that Earth has exactly properties needed for humans to exist. For example, any less less oxygen and we wouldn't have enough to breath, any more and our lungs would burn up.

(Somehow it didn't occur to him that life arose here in the absence of oxygen and that evolution might have adapted us to the present level.)

Best

Kris

5:11 PM, July 30, 2013

Blogger Sabine Hossenfelder said...

Hi Kris,

You make me feel very old now :p Best,

B.

2:26 AM, July 31, 2013

Blogger Zephir said...

IMO the polar spots could have its origin in broken CP invariance and there should be a correlation with star rotation direction.

9:04 AM, July 31, 2013

OpenID johnduffieldblog said...

Sounds a bit of a stretch Zephir, but anyway, check out http://arxiv.org/abs/1107.1575

9:13 AM, July 31, 2013

Blogger Zephir said...

We have some indirect evidence of it already, as the Sun affects the speed of weak-force mediated decay of radioactive elements inside of space-probes around Sun in period, which corresponds the period of Sun core rotation. It means, the Sun behaves like sorta neutrino pulsar, which ejects a stream of low energy neutrinos in polar direction at one of its ends preferentially. It's analogy of black hole with asymmetric jets. BTW Even the Earth geoid is not fully symmetric, as Columbus knew already.

9:21 AM, July 31, 2013

Blogger Zephir said...

Regarding the flip-flop cycles of common sun spots, it's highly probable, they're driven with center of mass of solar system, which is controlled mostly with Jupiter planet. The plasma current revolve this center of mass and they're dragged with Coriolis force above and bellow Sun equator. Once the center of mass appears beneath the surface of Sun, this natural circulation will stop and the Sun accumulates its energy in period of Solar minimum in similar way, like the pot of hot water silently boiled inside of microwave oven. IMO many short-term climatic cycles are driven with mutual position of planets inside of solar system in this way.

9:29 AM, July 31, 2013

OpenID spacetime66 said...

What a nice, simple, and refreshing post... You made something that could be thought on the surface to be kind of boring and made me awake before my morning coffee. Inspiration for the day! Will certainly go for the book and the literature...

11:07 AM, August 01, 2013

Blogger JimV said...

The first paragraph about NASA spying on stars was great. (The rest was interesting also.)

5:36 PM, August 12, 2013

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