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Blogger Robert L. Oldershaw said...


Here's a metric for funding that has probably never been tried overtly.

For Proposed Research: the number of definitive predictions made (which are feasible, prior, quantitative, non-adjustable and unique to the proposal).

For Funding Based On Past Work: the number of definitive predictions that have been verified.

Alas, it will never happen.

But man would it get rid of a lot of deadwood.

7:50 PM, January 08, 2013

Blogger Robert L. Oldershaw said...


And for experimentalists:

Proposal: definitive predictions to be tested.

Look-back Funding: definitive predictions successfully tested.

9:15 PM, January 08, 2013

Blogger Phillip Helbig said...

Actually, if just one definitive prediction is falsified, the theory is wrong; it doesn't matter if others are confirmed.

6:11 AM, January 09, 2013

Blogger Robert L. Oldershaw said...

Shortly after special relativity was published and entered into mainstream physics, there was an experimental result that appeared to refute SR. I forget the details, maybe a violation of e = mc^2, but the incident is discussed in Pais' 'Subtle is the lord'.

Einstein said that if the empirical result were right then SR would be falsified, but that a wider range of empirical evidence and conceptual elegance convinced him that the most likely outcome would be that the anomalous result would be found to be in error.

Einstein turned out to be right.

So Phil, it is sometimes unwise to rush to judgement. A cooler head and a more sophisticated outlook is often called for.

Wouldn't you agree?

[Please don't try to say that my argument can be dismissed because it is based on one piece of anecdotal evidence, since the history of science contains a very large number of occurences of mistaken early experimental results.]

And have a nice day.

Robert L. Oldershaw
Discrete Scale Relativity

10:54 AM, January 09, 2013

Blogger Andrew said...

I agree with your analysis. While the NIH funding system will obviously make mistakes from time to time, it doesn't seem necessarily a flaw to me that its evaluations are not purely citation based. And from first principles;) it does seem that the authors have used a completely flawed measure of creativity.

10:43 AM, January 10, 2013

Blogger Uncle Al said...

@Oldershaw: Let's do it! Risk is lack of precedent, undesired solutions, political antithesis. Freedom is compliance.

Given n compactified dimensions at scale, active spatial dimensions are N = n + 3. Gravitational acceleration varies as 1/r^(N-1). Emergent compactified dimensions' radius (pdf, after Equation 5) is ~10^[(-32/n)-19] meters. Or, ~[(h-bar)c]/(M_s)(c^2)][(M_p)/(M_s)]^(2/n), "M_s" = M-theory energy unification scale, ~1 TeV, "M_p" = Planck mass, 1.221×10^16 TeV. Newtonian gravitation at Cm-248 nucleus' surface is 4.4×10^(-7) m/s^2. Five compactified dimensions emerge at seven times nucleus' diameter. Surface acceleration is now 1.5×10^64 m/s^2. Bullbleep!

Problems cannot be solved by theory that creates them. Test spacetime symmetry toward fermionic matter from cm to angstrom scales in existing apparatus. No precedent; chemistry does not constrain physics; inked paper hectares are correct. LOOK.

12:00 PM, January 10, 2013

Blogger Andrew said...

Also, creative work is not the only important work in biology. Both systematic work and luck are important. As an example, take deep brain stimulation for Parkinson's. It was based on work that was more systematic than creative. And it seems to work not because of reasons easily seen from the systematic work, but more because of luck. Nonetheless, latter could not be had without the former.

1:17 PM, January 10, 2013

Blogger Juan said...

One of the current (and there are many) problems with medical research is that of guest authorship. Many highly-cited individuals had absolutely nothing to do with the actual research they are being cited for.

1:54 PM, January 10, 2013

Blogger Zephir said...

The example of cold fusion funding illustrates well, how the original research is actually valued with grant agencies - not to say about its usefulness.

9:01 AM, January 11, 2013

Blogger Bee said...

Hi Andrew,

I am really puzzled though that Nature would publish such a shaky argument. Best,

B.

4:00 AM, January 12, 2013

Blogger Bee said...

Hi Juan,

I don't think this is a problem which only exists in the life sciences. It is very common also in physics that the guy-with-the-grant is named as author even though he might have had nothing to do with the content of the paper. There's been talk for some while to keep better track of which contribution came from which author, but I haven't heard if anything like this is actually on the way to realization. Best,

B.

4:02 AM, January 12, 2013

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