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"No, physicists have not created “negative mass”"

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Blogger Shantanu said...

Thanks for the nice explanation. note that Luc Blanchet has published no of papers arguing that dark matter consists of negative mass particles

7:22 AM, April 21, 2017

Blogger Amit Misra said...

Negative effective mass is appealing explanation of behavior as appeared in media. Thanks for detailed explanation as negative mass still illusive in lab.

8:27 AM, April 21, 2017

Blogger J. e. L. said...

Thank you very much, very helpful.

8:57 AM, April 21, 2017

Blogger Dionisiatis said...

So is the effective mass something like inertia? What i expected from reading all these headlines was that the m in F=ma was negative. After reading this article it is clear that the reality is more complicated than that but would it be correct to sum this up as the discovery of a case where the inertia of the mas is negative?

9:25 AM, April 21, 2017

Blogger Roy said...

The "Effective Mass" phenomenon could be viewed as a quantum simulation of mass, which in this case is negative. By missing out "effective" the Papers are suggesting that it is real mass which has been found which is negative, which is indeed not correct, but there is still a simulation here. Also I believe that the expansion of the BEC was asymmetric confirming this phenomenon only on the right hand side of the expansion - the effective mass to the left was positive.

The nomenclature begins with solid state physics with dispersion relation approximation E = E0 + p^2/2m*. In a valence band E0 might be a maximum, more momentum reduces the energy, so m* is negative.

9:39 AM, April 21, 2017

Blogger Uncle Al said...

Meta-materials offer negative refractive indices. A concave lens will focus light. Special relativity is not threatened. A material with negative (electric) permittivity and (magnetic) permeability is merely following the math. The same stunt obtains by immersing a lens in a medium with higher refractive index.

"Scientist creates grant funding out of vacuum!" Sure...but conservation laws demand somebody else got cheated.

10:28 AM, April 21, 2017

Blogger yerpa58 said...

Thank you for adding clarity to this interesting topic.

11:10 AM, April 21, 2017

Blogger notevenwrong said...

If you want to know where this nonsense comes from, the main problem is that of universities issuing misleading press releases. In this case see

"'Negative Mass' created at Washington State University'

https://news.wsu.edu/2017/04/10/negative-mass-created-at-wsu/

which includes the nonsense about black holes.

PRL seems to have a policy of encouraging press releases of this kind, I really wish they would take action to stop this kind of thing. It doesn't help with the public understanding of science, quite the opposite.

11:13 AM, April 21, 2017

Blogger jim_h said...

The "March For Science" should be followed by the "March For Journalism".

11:28 AM, April 21, 2017

Blogger Xerxes said...

I think you forgot to note that according to the plot, the researchers appear to have created infinitely negative mass, which obviously resulted in the gravitational disruption of the entire Earth. I don't remember that happening, but I was busy that day.

11:44 AM, April 21, 2017

Blogger Unknown said...

Semiconductor scientists & engineers have long been familiar with "effective masses" of charge carriers, although I've never heard of an effective mass being negative.
In fact, the _absence_ of an electron can behave as a _presence_ of a positively charged particle -- a "hole" -- with its own effective mass, mobility, etc.

--TomH

12:03 PM, April 21, 2017

Blogger George Herold said...

From my perspective, effective mass comes from band diagrams in solid state physics, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_mass_(solid-state_physics). If you wanted you could describe holes (electrons in the valance band) as having a negative mass. Instead we say that they have a positive charge. (You can put the negative sign where ever you like in the equations.)

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1:11 PM, April 21, 2017

Blogger Edouard Seban said...

Is it possible to conceive the negative mass as a bump of space-time, or a field of negative Higgs? What would confirm a supersymmetry between mass and electrical charge of the baryonic material ...

1:33 PM, April 21, 2017

Blogger Michael Raymer said...

Thank you. As a physicists I was also bothered by the hypey title and new stories. Reminds me of the stories about faster-than-c light pulses" about 15 years ago. No - they were no faster than c.

1:57 PM, April 21, 2017

Blogger APDunbrack said...

@Roy: I was going to ask something along that line.

My instinctual assumption was that, rather than some particle having a negative mass, some QUASIparticle had a negative mass. Could you also phrase it in this way (in a non-relativistic field theory), or something similar?

If so, is there some sort of relationship between the QFTs that leads to the "black hole nonsense"? Or at least some potential analogy, and that analogy is itself analogous to other analogies between condensed matter and high-energy in terms of QFTs?

4:01 PM, April 21, 2017

Blogger Bruce Rout said...

This makes it more and more difficult to invoke the crackpot epithet.

5:39 PM, April 21, 2017

Blogger akidbelle said...

British journalists prove the existence of negative IQ.

Anything new under The Sun?

2:23 AM, April 22, 2017

Blogger Unknown said...

It is important to say that we are talking about quantum mechanics and Newton's laws of motions should not be applied. The bbc article sounds like it should, but laws have limits where it can explain the phenomena. Newton's laws explain motion of big bodies and at low velocities really well, but ten thousand atoms constitutes a very small body and should be used quantum mechanics and not F=ma.
That said, I don't think that we should call it a discovery from negative Inertia. Maybe an effective negative inertia, if we push it.

6:35 AM, April 22, 2017

Blogger Thomas Schaefer said...

I'm sure these newspaper articles are mostly nonsense (and I have not bothered to read them). However, I have heard the authors talk about this work, and I would like to emphasize that they do not mischaracterize their results. Maybe they should have used the word "effective" in the title, but to a physicist the word hydrodynamic already makes it clear that this is an effective mass.

Most lay people will associate with negative mass an object that falls up. This is exactly what is observed. Negative effective mass means that there is a collective mode (or a quasi-particle) for which momentum and velocity are anti-aligned. This means that an applied force leads to acceleration in the opposite direction. This is pretty cool, and deserves some (accurate) coverage.

Now I am sure that there are many caveats. Negative mass can only be achieved in some range of momenta, so quasi-particles don't fall up forever. I also suspect that in this experiment the mass is directional, so things fall up only if the experiment is aligned in a certain way.

One final comment: The claim that the definition of effective mass is a "historical accident" is just nonsense. A quasi-particle emerges if the low energy excitations of a many-body system or quantum field theory behave like non-interaction particles. The properties (mass etc) are uniquely determined by matching the free theory to the correlation functions of the full theory. No arbitrariness, no historical accident. When a condensed matter physicist talks about heavy fermion compunds, a nuclear physicist about effective masses of neutrons in neutron stars, or an AMO physicist about the effective mass of polarons in cold gases they all mean exactly the same thing.

10:08 AM, April 22, 2017

Blogger Roy said...

@APDunbrack: Yes in semiconductor physics it is the quasiparticle "valence hole" which can sometimes be assigned negative mass. Likewise in recent BEC experiments phenomenon were discovered called "dark solitons" which are the (quantum) soliton-like absence of atoms (in a region), whose behaviour is like Brownian motion except with negative mass. I am not sure whether this WSU experiment is being described by such dark solitons though, or another construct.

The "Black Hole Nonsense" seems to emerge from the WSU Publicity, and not from the preprint I have seen. It is possible that the WSU research team plan something in the area of merging the two types of simulations - or it might be just confused publicity.

10:52 AM, April 22, 2017

Blogger Jean Baptiste Le Maudit said...

The first time I encountered negative mass as a handy mathematical construct was this problem in Halliday and Resnick which asks for the gravitational force on a particle that is a distance away from a solid sphere with a spherical hollow. The problem was solved without calculus by imagining a sphere of negative mass centered on the hollow of the larger sphere.

Needless to say, I was impressed by the ease with which the problem was solved! Thanks for the explanation!

1:23 PM, April 22, 2017

Blogger kashyap vasavada said...

Negative EFFECTIVE mass is not that much uncommon! In fact in a simple classical situation, a helium-filled balloon goes forward when the car suddenly accelerates.In contrast, other objects such as your head go backward.

3:45 PM, April 22, 2017

Blogger Unknown said...

@George Herold
Using a convention that "holes" have negative mass and negative charge, could lead to more confusing terminology & mental models.

For example, the mobility "u" would have to be negative so that the "redefined hole" moves in the correct direction in an electric field.

Also the "redefined hole's" diffusion coefficient "D" would have to be assigned a negative value so currents flow in the correct direction when a concentration gradient is present.

Having both positive and negative values of "u" and "D" doesn't seem helpful for pedagogical and practical reasons.

unfortunately we're stuck with the convention that direction of current flow is defined as opposite of electron flow.

-- TomH

8:48 PM, April 22, 2017

Blogger Fernando Leanme said...

This is really disappointing, i already have a PowerPoint slide explaining how negative mass relates to cosmic inflation and my "negative mass weight loss pills".

5:05 AM, April 23, 2017

Blogger Sabine Hossenfelder said...

Thomas,

You are confusing inertial with gravitational mass. If you want something to "fall up" you need to change the *ratio* between both, not one of them.

6:43 AM, April 23, 2017

Blogger Stuart said...


“Physicists observe fluid not running apart.”

Okay this becomes interesting because astronomers (Vera Rubin et al ) have observed galaxies do the same.Does this similarity imply that quantum (gravity ) effects are responsible for flat rotation curves?

10:07 AM, April 23, 2017

Blogger Uncle Al said...

@Bee "You are confusing inertial with gravitational mass. If you want something to "fall up" you need to change the *ratio* between both, not one of them."

Two masses spacetime embedding with different energies pursue non-identical minimum action paths. Baryogenesis’ Sahkarov conditions suggest ~10^(-10) differential chiral bias.

Periodic single crystals are self-similar down to unit cells. Crystallography has 11 paired enantiomorphic space groups. The tightest chiral windings are threefold screw axes. alpha-Quartz single crystal solid balls (cm³), chiral emergence volume 0.113 nm³ containing 9 atoms, opposed space groups P3(1)21 9 and P3(2)21, paired shoes on spatial left feet, measurably violate the Equivalence Principle. Look.

10:45 AM, April 23, 2017

Blogger Thomas Schaefer said...


Well, if I change one but not the other then the ratio does change. In the present case it is not clear to me what would happen. The experiment only created a negative effective mass in the horizontal direction, and studied the effect of the trapping force and of pressure gradients. They did not study what happens if the apparatus is tilted.

In the case of electron quasi-particles in a metal I cannot observe an individual electron falling inside the metal because the gravitational force is always balanced by Coulomb effects, and the metal as a whole must respect the equivalence principle (so the force is proportional to N_e m_e, not N_e m_e^*).

In the present case the effective mass arises not from coupling between the atoms, but from coupling to a laser field. I think it is plausible that if the apparatus were tilted without the negative mass region the cloud accelerates due to gravity, but if the negative mass regime is present then the cloud decelerates. This is not shocking -- we already know that neutral atoms can be levitated by laser fields. But it still interesting that the effect is described by F=ma with a positive gravitational mass and a negative, momentum dependent, inertial mass.

11:53 PM, April 23, 2017

Blogger Uncle Al said...

@Thomas Schaefer " I cannot observe an individual electron falling inside the metal because the gravitational force is always balanced by Coulomb effects"

Drop it down a vertical single wall metallic carbon nanotube. They can have large diameters.

http://srjcstaff.santarosa.edu/~yataiiya/4D/Properties%20of%20Semiconducting%20and%20Metallic%20Carbon%20Nanotubes.pdf
...page 7
http://www.shimadzu.com/an/industry/ceramicsmetalsmining/cnt_0103020.html
http://www.understandingnano.com/nanotubes-carbon-properties.html
...(bottom) “about a third of all zigzag and chiral nanotubes have electrical properties like metal; the rest (roughly two thirds) have electrical properties like semiconductors.”

11:02 AM, April 24, 2017

Blogger Worldsinmind said...

The minute I saw the posting on the internet I thought that they were seeing some sort of effect related to the Higgs field - assuming their apparatus had cancelled any gravity or bias effects.

3:01 PM, April 26, 2017

Blogger Natarajan Physicist said...

thanks for the nice explanation

1:49 PM, May 19, 2017

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