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"The Edge annual question 2012"

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Blogger Giotis said...

I like the gauge principle where force interaction fields are introduced automatically by demanding a global symmetry to have a local validity.

Nobody mentioned that?

"to enter into an explanation why the detection of gravitons isn't equivalent to evidence for quantum gravity."

What do you mean by that? Could you elaborate?

7:27 AM, March 04, 2012

Blogger Thomas Dent said...

Half the 'explanations' aren't explanations at all, they're just statements (debatable or otherwise) or even just things. If you can't phrase it in a form involving 'why' it isn't an explanation.

BTW, did anyone mention the risk thermometer explanation of why making bicycle helmets compulsory increases the number of deaths and serious injuries to cyclists?

7:40 AM, March 04, 2012

Blogger Bee said...

Hi Giotis,

Well, Eric Weinstein did. I could elaborate, but this isn't really the place. I wrote a whole paper on that here and several blogposts too (use the label Quantum Gravity). Best,

B.

8:12 AM, March 04, 2012

Blogger Phil Warnell said...

Hi Bee,

Thanks for the run down as it has me now want to read more of them in total. As for my own personal favourite I would have to agree with David Dalrymple as I can’t imagine any deeper explanation of what we find to be reality as to how it operates and yet it still being mysterious as to why. That is to admit yes we do have Feynman’s quantum expression of this with path integral, yet it’s simply a mathematical way to say with all possible histories considered it’s those of the least action which will most likely be realized. This makes it easier of course to calculate outcome, yet still fails to say as to where nature finds the time to have all these histories resolved when given none.


“The laws of movement and of rest deduced from this principle being precisely the same as those observed in nature, we can admire the application of it to all phenomena. The movement of animals, the vegetative growth of plants ... are only its consequences; and the spectacle of the universe becomes so much the grander, so much more beautiful, the worthier of its Author, when one knows that a small number of laws, most wisely established, suffice for all movements.”

-Pierre Louis Maupertuis (1746)

Best,

Phil

2:15 PM, March 04, 2012

Blogger Uncle Al said...

A Foucault pendulum in a hermetically sealed vacuum bunker is elegant. How does it know?

That the universe as a whole is irrotational is counter to everything we observe about large scale dynamics.

3:01 PM, March 04, 2012

Blogger Eric said...

The long acting range of electromagnetism and gravity suggests a connection, as Feynman pointed out. However little has come out of that theoretically because physics theorists continue to use the paradigm from the standard model that clusters the weak force, the strong force, and electromagnetism together.

Physics should start thinking about a new mechanism where not only electromagnetic and gravititational forces are combined through long distances, but also that the strong force is also combined with them as entanglement over long distances. The obvious connection between all three would be the pathway paradigm within a more fundamental medium. Those pathways might create a force whose strength would be a result or the level of of order between two distant particles. The quantum vacuum energy is the obvious candidate for that fundamental intermediary medium.

3:15 PM, March 04, 2012

Blogger Professor R said...

Great post but I'm a bit uncomfortable with all this 'smart people' stuff so beloved of The Edge - it's the same story with the book Brockman has recently edited.It's not just the elitism that bothers me, it's more that most of my heros in physics neither sought nor received fame, but their work is highly respected by those in the know (Think Arthur Jaffe or Julius Wess or my late father Lochlainn). Hurrah for the obscue ones!
Cormac

3:34 PM, March 04, 2012

Blogger Plato said...

Some of my favorite comments I had shown earlier.

Best,

10:42 PM, March 04, 2012

Blogger Bee said...

Hi Cormac,

I think Brockman isn't trying to collect the best physicists alive. He is trying to collect some intellectuals, and his collection is also US-centered. To some extend it might be an attempt to gather some bright people in dark times and shine a light on them to say, look, we're not all overweight dummies who believe in creationism and that the sun goes around the earth. In any case, what I'm saying is, in my eyes this is really a club-of-people-Brockman-likes rather than an elite of something in particular. I think it's well done though. Best,

B.

1:16 AM, March 05, 2012

Blogger Giotis said...

Hi Bee,

Where exactly in this paper you explain why the detection of gravitons isn't equivalent to evidence for quantum gravity?

3:14 AM, March 05, 2012

Blogger Bee said...

Hi Giotis,

The whole paper is a summary of examples for evidence of quantum gravity that are not detections of gravitons. Best,

B.

3:55 AM, March 05, 2012

Blogger Giotis said...

OK I see...

I misunderstood then. I thought you were saying that if somehow we confirm that gravitons exist this would not mean necessarily that gravity is quantized.

4:13 AM, March 05, 2012

Blogger Bee said...

Sorry for this misunderstanding. No, that's not what I meant. I meant, you don't need to detect a graviton to find evidence for quantum gravity. Much like you could argue that you don't need to detect a single photon to have evidence for quantum mechanics. I haven't made up my mind on Dyson's "hypothesis" that gravitons can't be detected at all. Sometimes I think he's right, then again I think he is wrong. Either way, I doubt anybody will detect a graviton within my lifetime.

Best,

B.

4:25 AM, March 05, 2012

Blogger Bee said...

Hi Phil,

Your comment makes me realize that nobody mentioned Feynman's path integral, which I think would have deserved a place among the elegant principles too. Best,

B.

4:29 AM, March 05, 2012

Blogger DocG said...

My favorite deep explanation: Niels Bohr's formulation of quantum complementarity.

My favorite elegant explanation: Occam's Razor.

My favorite beautiful explanation: "De Rerum Natura" by Lucretius.

1:16 PM, March 05, 2012

Blogger Eric said...

Physics should start thinking about a new mechanism where not only electromagnetic and gravititational forces are combined through long distances, but also that the strong force is also combined with them as entanglement over long distances. The obvious connection between all three would be the pathway paradigm within a more fundamental medium. Those pathways might create a force whose strength would be a result or the level of of order between two distant particles. The quantum vacuum energy is the obvious candidate for that fundamental intermediary medium.

Another way to think about the relative strengths of the different forces is in terms of the energy required to create order, i.e., to reverse entropy. If pathways are created within a medium the level of refinement and order not only would determine the effort to communicate via the pathway in terms of time and energy, but it would also effect the cost in terms of energy to create that pathway. Similar to the effort to create a superhighway versus a line in the dirt drawn
with a stick.

This is a good way of thinking about the strength of different forces and why such tremendous energy is encapsulated in the strong force. That is why perfect entanglement tends to only occur on the small scale. However I believe that incomplete and imperfect entanglement occurs all the time to each of us and then disappears like a puff of smoke as quickly as it appeared.

6:02 PM, March 05, 2012

Blogger Zephir said...

Dense aether model is not deep, elegant, or beautiful explanation. It just works.

6:17 PM, March 05, 2012

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