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"The Enantiomers’ Swimming Competition"

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Blogger Navneeth said...

Thank you for so wonderfully elucidating the contents of the paper, Bee. News such as this usually has very little chance of popping up in my feed reader. Despite the attraction of discussing very abstract entities whose physical reality may be called into question, there's something equally attractive with "simple(er)" experiments like this -- with results!, from a rather "boring/un-sexy" branch of the sciences.

7:25 AM, April 26, 2013

Blogger Sabine Hossenfelder said...

Hi Navneeth,

You have to thank Ralf (one of the authors) for this, because without him I'd never have heard of this paper either. Certainly not a journal that I read... Best,

Sabine

10:55 AM, April 26, 2013

Blogger Uncle Al said...

All molecules have mirror images. A chiral mass distribution is not superposable upon its mirror image only by translation and rotation. It has no S_n improper rotation axes. DOS software SYMMETRY by Serguei Patchkovskii swallows an *.xyz coordinate file then outputs a complete symmetry element analysis plus point group.

"chiral particles swim differently in a stream of water that has a swirl to it" Opposite shoes embedded within a surrounding medium left foot have different minimum action trajectories. You describe the geometric Eötvös experiment. It detects whether the vacuum is trace chiral anisiotropic toward fermionic matter. Massless boson photons see isotropic vacuum.

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/coupe2.png
The "swimmers" are La Coupe du Roi (or rotationally locked hydrogen peroxide molecules).

11:26 AM, April 26, 2013

Blogger PTMR said...

Interesting but to be practical it would have to be applicable to typical chemical compounds with sizes well below 1 nanometer.

Chiral column chromatography is a somewhat similar technique.

1:40 PM, April 26, 2013

Blogger Zephir said...

The homochirality of life is explained in similar way with specific absorption of sugars and aminoacids to curved hydrophobic surfaces of lipidic bilayers: the chiral less polar molecules (D-sugars with OH groups) tend to adsorb into outer surface (it's sorta superhydrophobicity effect), the polar L-aminoacids tend to collect inside of it. Aminoacids are building material of proteins, whereas the sugars are source of energy for living cell.

Note that chiral pairs of men and women are separated by phase gradients of family settlement: the women tend to stay inside of it and they collect building material (wood), whereas the men are collecting energy related material (food) from outside.

The homochirality is therefore scale invariant geometry in AWT and it manifest itself at many scales.

5:12 PM, April 26, 2013

Blogger Zephir said...

BTW The spin-oriented photons of polarized light swim in different speed through solids as well: the well know birefringence effect of island calcite is based on their swimming competition...

5:28 PM, April 26, 2013

Blogger Neil Bates said...

Surely the process must work well enough or authors wouldn't be discussing it in such positive terms. However, I see ambiguity in the concept of "Wait far enough downstream, and the particles that arrive first will almost exclusively be the ones whose chirality matches that of the water swirl." What "rating" or priority etc for various organic groups can properly assign them to "right-hand" or "left-hand" chirality? It's not like real spin, but somewhat arbitrary decisions have to be made about a convention to consider -COOH, -Cl, -CHO, -CF3, -OCH3 etc as proper markers to assign to the categories.

Maybe a molecule with three big groups coming out of the stereocenter, and a puny -H on the side would be "obvious" but I wonder how Nature in the form of the swirling water decides what should be "really RH or LH" etc. In any case, still a clever idea and reported here as best could be considering that AFAICT unanswered question.

8:21 PM, April 26, 2013

Blogger Plato Hagel said...

While I take pleasure in hydrodynamic flows.....this is a question about what begins?

See: Models to explain homochirality

Best,

4:31 PM, April 27, 2013

Blogger Plato Hagel said...

This process is an example of "In Time."


Darwinian evolutionary biology is the prototype for thinking in time because at its heart is the realization that natural processes developing in time can lead to the creation of genuinely novel structures. Even novel laws can emerge when the structures to which they apply come to exist. Evolutionary dynamics has no need of abstract and vast spaces like all the possible viable animals, DNA sequences, sets of proteins, or biological laws. Exaptations are too unpredictable and too dependent on the whole suite of living creatures to be analyzed and coded into properties of DNA sequences. Better, as Stuart Kauffman proposes, to think of evolutionary dynamics as the exploration, in time, by the biosphere, of the adjacent possible. See: Thinking In Time Versus Thinking Outside Of Time (bold added in quote by me for emphasis)

Which of course sends me back to the review you have Bee of Lee Smolin's new book.

Best,

3:29 PM, April 29, 2013

Blogger L. Edgar Otto said...

I find it interesting that the human body recognizes 1 of 256 chiral forms if cholesterol in its carbons.
Some deeper principle may explain separation by specific chemical pathways as well as this fluid flow.
But as if an abstract sheet or background could spin of particles be separated in chiralities as fine structures over wider mirror symmetry into at least four forms?
The handedness would be six forms of tetrahedral edges of two open hands that fit together of the same structural chirality. In a sense can a lot of effects not be controlled by polarized light.
What does this say for the nano scale as if a Casmir effect between sheets or doubled shells of fat?
Let us also consider the role of fibers like feathers or silica and fat itself that structurally or mechanically are vaguely implicated as gateways to cancerous cell differentiation.
A 4D simplex would view these projections as achairal loops.
(I respond to a Nordita feed to the backreaction blogspot one year from the current date. )

8:25 AM, April 30, 2014

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