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"Eyeglasses and the James Webb Space Telescope"

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Blogger Arun said...

I love the connections you make between things!

I believe Be metal dust can be quite toxic, and so grinding/machining this mirror has to be done with great care for the workers.

Completely tangentially I wonder if they'll goof up on the focal length of this mirror like they did with Hubble :)

8:48 PM, January 26, 2007

Blogger stefan said...

Thank you, Arun!

I wonder if they'll goof up on the focal length of this mirror like they did with Hubble :)

They better won't, since they will have a hard time to send a repair mission to the Lagrange point ;-)

9:12 PM, January 26, 2007

Anonymous Navneeth said...

Did you know that Beryl is also the name of a Linux window manager(sheer eye-candy)?

Actually, I came to know about the original Beryl only through that! :D

Very informative post as usual, Stefan!

7:13 AM, January 27, 2007

Blogger QUASAR9 said...

Hi Stefan, curious thing
when we talk of eyeglasses
it always reminds me of a film
Zulu - I think
Where the African leader (who we'll presume had 'normal' sight) meets a white man wearing spectacles, takes them off him - has a look thru them, and states
"this man doesn't want to see the 'real' world"

Of course it is a metaphor - but his comment was triggered by his failure to understand that someone elses eyesight could literally be different from his - and that someone looking through the glasses to 'rectify' sight can presumably see things the same as he did.

Anyway all that aside, people often aske me where Time goes,
and someone asked me where does light go ...
well JWST may not answer that, but it will be looking at where it comes from - and should be able to say where the light that reached it went

9:29 AM, January 27, 2007

Blogger Bee said...

Hi Quasar,

I love that story with the Zulu leader! Was that a documentation or a movie? Best,

B.

9:39 AM, January 27, 2007

Blogger Arun said...

Which leads me to wonder - is there some international agreement on how to avoid clogging up the Lagrange points with space junk? I think there is a protocol for geostationary satellites, and what has to happen at end-of-life.

1:10 PM, January 27, 2007

Blogger QUASAR9 said...

Hi Bee, definitely a movie
just before the Zulu defeated the British redcoats - like Custer's last stand when the cavalry got slaughtered by the Indians - and when white men, rifles and spectacles (or monocles) were rare curiosities in Africa - and africans still ran around in loin clothes and hunted food with spears

And long long before UV sunglasses or space telescopes and particle physics.

So Bee, photons that reach our eyes get converted to chemical impulses (reactions) in the brain. But where do the other photons go? and where do photons go when no one is looking at the screen, or we turn off the light bulb, and the screen on the tv or laptop

What 'propels' neutrinos, or are they like dust - simply floating around, waiting to hitch a ride

1:12 PM, January 27, 2007

Blogger Lumo said...

"Brille" actually comes from the Czech word "brýle" which means "glasses". ;-)

I hope that James Webb is a different James Webb than the hateful Gentleman who responded to the State of the Union speech.

1:36 PM, January 27, 2007

Blogger Arun said...

One of the etymologies at dictionary.reference.com for "beryl" is as follows:

"[Middle English, from Old French, from Latin bēryllus, from Greek bērullos, from bērullion, from Prakrit veruliya, from Pali veḷuriya; perhaps akin to Tamil veḷiru or viḷar, to whiten, become pale.]"

5:02 PM, January 27, 2007

Blogger Arun said...

A good majority of the google links have beryl ultimately deriving from Sanskrit, and some ultimately from Tamil, and so, folks, the origin of "beryl" is in ancient India, as per the Internets.

:)

5:19 PM, January 27, 2007

Blogger CarlBrannen said...

Arun, it's quite unlikely that you'd get Be metal dust from beryl, which is only about 4% Be, the rest being an alumino-silicate. The metal is similar to aluminum in its attraction to oxygen. The problem with the dust will be from the mineral dust itself, which is bad enough, but not as bad as Be metal

5:56 PM, January 27, 2007

Blogger Bee said...

the origin of "beryl" is in ancient India, as per the Internets.

rubbish - it's derived from Klingon bej jIl(watch the neighbor)

6:17 PM, January 27, 2007

Blogger Rae Ann said...

Very interesting information! I'm glad that we don't make glasses from beryl anymore or we'd never afford them.

12:10 AM, January 28, 2007

Blogger Arun said...

Carl, the blurb says "The primary mirror of the James Webb Space Telescope will consist of 18 honeycomb-shaped segments made of beryllium", which is why I thought of Be metal rather than beryl.

12:56 AM, January 28, 2007

Blogger stefan said...

Dear all,

thanks for the links and information about the etymology of Brille and beryl!


Is there some international agreement on how to avoid clogging up the Lagrange points with space junk?

I don't know... But then, all those satellites are not located exactly at the Lagrange point, which is unstable, but in a stable orbit around it. Btw, according to the ESA site, besides the James Webb telescope, the ESA satellites Herschel, Planck and Gaia sould be located there. So, probably yes, there will better be a plan where to insert them in orbit around L2 ;-)


About the dangers of beryl and beryllium: the JWST mirror will be made of metallic beryllium - but according to this wikipedia entry, it is used in the defense and aerospace industries as light-weight structural materials in high-speed aircraft, missiles, space vehicles and communication satellites, so I guess there are plenty of safety measures about how to handle it to avoid its hazards.

As Carl says, dust from grinding beryl minerals may be unhealthy for general reasons - Silicosis was very common among the miners in my native Saarland - not so much because of the 10 percent of beryllium atoms it contains (5 percent is the percentage in mass...)

James Webb was the director of NASA in the 1960s.

10:06 AM, January 28, 2007

Blogger Lumo said...

Director of NASA is alright although there could be more cultivated ways to name it. ;-)

4:13 PM, January 28, 2007

Anonymous Uncle Al said...

Is there any truth to the rumor that the original NASA design had heptagons? They were redesigned to pentagons for side conservation, then a compromise was hammered out.

(The two extra sides/polygon were to be recycled into T-squares with 80-degree angles. The angle savings thereform were then summed into gyroscope replacements for ISS FUBAR, with pi=3 for diversity hire engineers).

4:17 PM, January 28, 2007

Blogger CarlBrannen said...

arun, you are quite right.

6:19 PM, January 28, 2007

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eyeglasses evolved over time, from beryl glasses to glass glasses, polycarbonate glasses and now pinhole glasses.

5:06 AM, August 05, 2008

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