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"The J/Psi and the Charmonium Spectrum"

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Blogger Bee said...

One can do this not only towards spectroscopy of smaller structures, but also larger, like e.g. for molecules. It's all about excitations... Best,

B.

11:58 AM, December 20, 2007

Anonymous Chris Oakley said...

Since the study of the single-electron atom ultimately led to quantum mechanics, I am optimistic that the study of charmonium will ultimately lead to a proper theory of strong interactions.

The problem with the 2-body microscopic bound state is that it appears not to be an advantage to use more sophisticated treatments: naive solving for eigenstates of a classical potential actually does much better than any highbrow approach based on quantum field theory. It also means that one does not need to find a way of dealing with the infinities as none occur.

The Cornell potential is - to my mind - only significant in that it shows that ultimately the EM and Strong interactions are manifestations of the same thing. Without actually being the solution itself, the fact that the same bag of tricks can work at the MeV scale as at the eV scale suggests that a proper, relativistic, axiomatic theory of bound states, if possible at all, can be devised in a way that works for both types of interaction.

4:26 AM, December 21, 2007

Anonymous Anonymous said...

(reply to Chris Oakley)

I've always been bothered by how quantum field theory doesn't really look at the bound state problem extensively (with the exception of maybe the lattice folks).

On the other hand, attempting to calculate QED results using conventional quantum mechanics (ie. without any field theory) is really messy, such as in the first edition of Heitler's book.

12:05 PM, December 21, 2007

Blogger Neil' said...

Is there an analogy to the Lamb shift in the Charmonium spectrum, and what does it "tell us" if any? tx

Also, I am curious re:
"I've always been bothered by how quantum field theory doesn't really look at the bound state problem extensively (with the exception of maybe the lattice folks)."

I thought QFT was so complete and effective to nth decimal, so do you mean what people do instead of what the theory in principle can do? Anyone's thoughts are welcome.
tx

4:49 PM, December 21, 2007

Anonymous Anonymous said...

(reply to Neil)

> I thought QFT was so complete and
> effective to nth decimal, so do you
> mean what people do instead of what
> the theory in principle can do?


What I meant is what people do.

In the case of charmonium, it's largely due to the fact that there are not many easy ways to do non-perturbative calculations in the QFT formalism. Doing non-perturbative calculations via lattice gauge theory, seems to produce the correct qualitative features. (An expert on lattice QCD can say whether more recent results can be compared directly to the experimental data or not).

5:31 PM, December 21, 2007

Blogger stefan said...

Hi Chris,


I think one should keep in mind that using a potential interaction is a nonrelativistic concept, and that that the analogy between charmonium and the hydrogen atom via quantum states in the Cornell and Coulomb potentials works because the charm quark has a very big mass - it's a bit less than half the mass of the J/Ψ (about 1.3 GeV, compared to 3.096 GeV for the J/Ψ). This means that the interaction energy contributes only little to the J/Ψ mass, and the nonrelativistic potential models have a chance to work. Keep in mind also that there is no mass defect in the J/Ψ.

On the other hand, for the up and down quarks making up protons and neutrons, this cannot work - their masses are very small, less than 10 MeV, and interaction contributes to the rest, the 940 MeV making the nucleon. Here, the low quark mass is the so-called "current mass", which enters the QCD Lagrangian. It has to be distiguished from the constitutent mass, about 300 MeV. Using the constituent mass, one can, again, try to work with phenomenological potentials, but then, one has to remember that the constituent mass subsumes a complicated interaction with the gluon fields, and the breaking of chiral symmetry. So, this way of analysing the nucleon is very phenomenologic, and it is not clear a priori what can be learned for QCD on a more fundamental level.

For charmonia, the high charm mass is a Higgs-created mass in the standard model, so at least in this respect, the using the Cornell potential is closer to QCD. But here, again, one has to keep in mind that there is not yet (to my knowledge) a derviation of the Cornell potential from QCD.

On the other hand, as anonymous has pointed out, first-principles lattice QCD calculations with heavy quark flavours are very precise nowadays - for example, for the B_c meson (beauty-anticharm pair), there is a permille-consistency between lattice calculations and experimental data.

As for using QFT for looking at bound states, I guess via the Bethe-Salpeter equation, that's techenically very involved... that's probably the reason that it's not used more often... But it says nothing about the issue that solving Bethe-Salpeter, instead of calculating eigentstates in a nonrelativistc potential, is the thing one should actually do...

Best, Stefan

5:14 AM, December 22, 2007

Blogger stefan said...

Hi Neil,


to my knowledge, there is nothing like the Lamb shift involved in the analysis of charmonia with Cornell-type potentials. The reason is, I think, that these potentials are just ansätze, they are definitely not thought to be fundamental in the sense that the Coulomb potential is the fundamental potential between electrical charges. Hence, thinking about QFT induced corrections to this potential probably makes not much sense..

About the successes of QFT you're alluding to - these are so great in the case of QED, where the coupling constant is small and calculations based on perturbation theory work fine and can be carried through to high orders, yielding very high precision. As we have seen last Friday ;-), in QCD the coupling constant in the energy range relevant for hadrons is much bigger, and perturbation theory does not work. Hence, so far the only first-principles high-precision methods are lattice calculations.

Best, Stefan

5:25 AM, December 22, 2007

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