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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow,

great post:
lot of intersting stuff, lots of cool links!
Thank you!

7:37 PM, February 13, 2007

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it a luxury? Maybe. But it's a luxury as old as mankind itself. The earliest tribes apparently had shamans and mystic men, reading the stars, not contributing directly to the wealth of society in terms of food and shelter.

The curiosity, the need for stories, that is deeply human. The entire ethics of humanity are not based on reducing human suffering (though it is, of course, a central part of it) but also always look for what is beyond.

In other words, humanity contains both, Empathy AND Imagination, and we need both, even though the latter need is much more intangible.

fh

8:44 PM, February 13, 2007

Anonymous cvj said...

Lovely post!

Do you know when the heavy ion collision phase will have its first physics run? And are they going to use the same models and analysis to determine the hydrodynamic parameters of the "fluid" or whatever is seen... or will it be somewhat complementary?

Thanks for the link, too.

Best,

-cvj

9:10 PM, February 13, 2007

Blogger Plato said...

Another link for Democritus is "here."

Yes this is a good post. I'm just going to add another perspective if that's okay

You have to think about the use of "strangelets" as the story evolves here along with the disaster scenario.

Danger of strangelets: catalyzed conversion to strange matter

If there are strangelets flying around the universe, then occasionally a strangelet should hit the planet Earth, where it would appear as an exotic type of cosmic ray. This raises the question whether a strangelet from space would convert the whole planet to strange matter. The disaster scenario is this: one strangelet hits a nucleus, catalyzing its immediate conversion to strange matter. This liberates energy, and sends pieces (more strangelets) flying in all directions. These merge with other nuclei and convert them, leading to a chain reaction, at the end of which all the nuclei of all the atoms have been converted, and earth has been reduced to a hot cloud of strangelets.

The general belief is that this would not happen, because most models predict that strangelets, like nuclei, are positively charged, so they are electrostatically repelled by nuclei, and would rarely merge with them.[3] However, concerns of this type were raised at the commencement of the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) experiment at Brookhaven, which could potentially have created strangelets. A detailed analysis [4] concluded that the RHIC collisions were comparable to ones that naturally occur as cosmic rays traverse the solar system, so we would already have seen such a disaster if it were possible.

In the case of a neutron star, however, the conversion scenario seems much more plausible. A neutron star is in a sense one giant (20 km across) nucleus, held together by gravity. If a strangelet hit a neutron star, it could convert a small region of it, and that region would grow to consume the entire star.[5]


While "fear rules" good thinking, they postulated what these strangelets could be and went with it. How did the idea of micro blackholes serve to help identify further positions about which the beginning of particle showers could have emerged from such collisions, and one wonders about the "perfect fluid." The "quick dissipation of micro blackholes" from cosmic particle collisions?

Where did the strangelets then go? Centre of the earth?

12:54 AM, February 14, 2007

Blogger Plato said...

In relation to what I presented and your consensus in terms of "footnote 2."

This argument also squashes any fears about black holes or strange matter. If it were possible for an accelerator to create such a doomsday object, a cosmic ray would have done so long ago. "We are very grateful for cosmic rays," says Jaffe.

1:07 AM, February 14, 2007

Anonymous a quantum diaries survivor said...

Wow, Bee, awesome post! You guys seriously need to slow down a bit, I am kicked off the market here. Blogging in physics has become tough since posts such as yours make it hard to compete!

Just kidding! Keep going!

Cheers,
T.

6:19 AM, February 14, 2007

Blogger Arun said...

Bee,

When the Republican administration has spent over half a trillion dollars on a war of choice, not necessity, in Iraq, then asking for ten billion dollars to advance human knowledge though without practical application does not seem so difficult.

Wouldn't it be better in any case for nations to compete in science and music and art and sports than in armaments and war? Then even appealing to national prestige is a legitimate argument, IMO. The "people starving in another country" is not an argument, because the budget is never going to be diverted to help those people.

8:47 AM, February 14, 2007

Blogger Bee said...

Hi fh,

yes, thanks, you said that very nicely. With luxury I meant exactly that: it's not necessary for our survival to build the LHC, but it's what makes the difference between surviving and living. What's all the struggle good for if not to reach out for the frontiers of our knowledge?

Hi Clifford,

reg. heavy ion runs at LHC. I don't know. Last thing I heard was that it would be 'desirable' to have a pilot run already in 2007, and the first run sometime 2008, but I couldn't find any sensible information about it.

Someone around here from CERN who knows more?

Best,

B.

9:55 AM, February 14, 2007

Blogger Bee said...

Hi Arun,

Wouldn't it be better in any case for nations to compete in science and music and art and sports than in armaments and war?

Wise words. I've always found it would help us getting along if we just had more options before killing each other. See - I don't think humans will ever erase warfare completely, it will always remain the last option to threat other peoples lives and to take with force what couldn't be taken otherwise. But I think we could just add some possible steps before that. E.g. take sports and science in the 'cold war'. Would it have been such a cold war without this competition? We all want to be appreciated, to be special, and to be the best at least in some regards.

I wonder though why, when it comes to global competition, most nations focus on sectors that require enormous financial resources, like technology and military. It might be hard for (financially) poorer countries to compete technologically, but how much does a theoretical physicist cost?

Best,

B.

10:36 AM, February 14, 2007

Blogger jal said...

Wow! I hope people realize the amount of time needed to prepare your blogs.

I listed your blog as a good place to get info
Some of my readers must have come over.
Why is there a delay in the CERN schedule?
jal

10:54 AM, February 14, 2007

Anonymous Uncle Al said...

Electrons are enslaved in power grids and circuitry worldwide as you read this. Uncle Al demands electron advocacy! There are way more than twice as many baryons than electrons in Earth. Annihalating electrons is heinous baryonic particleism - leptocide! (Photons are not a privileged minority.)

1:32 PM, February 14, 2007

Blogger Plato said...

I am trying to qualify some of my statements "above in this thread" here.

2:20 PM, February 14, 2007

Anonymous Anonymous said...

thx for post.

about africa-there are enough of resources for both africa and LHC, but will...?

and I dont agree that LHC isn't neccecary for our survival. you either grow or perish...

good thing (maybe everybody knows it, but..) is that at least this machine will definetly see if there is higgs or not

2:44 PM, February 14, 2007

Blogger Bee said...

anybody noticed that the movie from Spiegel TV features the Albert Einstein Action Figure in the very end?

:-)

4:24 PM, February 14, 2007

Blogger Bee said...

Dear Plato,

you write:
A person most intense and preoccupied with the endeavours they work, will notice that time passes very quickly around them. It's as if the world bypassed them, as the focus had cost them the appearance or the attention needed to take care of themselves. "Should I care" as I think of them, whether their hair long or that their desk is pile high with paper?

Sounds like a high gamma-factor ;-) Anyway, you know, what makes theoretical physics different from mathematics is that we can't leave out the world. If we let it bypass and get lost in our own sphere of thought, we might grow impressive piles of papers but as physicists we have failed. Regarding the attention to take care of themselves, I have the suspicion that Einstein's legacy weights heavily on many of my male colleagues ;-)

Best,

B.

4:36 PM, February 14, 2007

Blogger Bee said...

Uncle Al demands electron advocacy!

Well, in the society of electrons, are some more equal than others, or is this a truly equal community? And can they ever be more than asymptotically free?

4:39 PM, February 14, 2007

Anonymous Uncle Al said...

Electrons are monstrously oppressed in power grids. Annual planetary electricity generation is 1.9x10^13 kwh. At 120 V that averages 18 billion amperes 24/7 (including leap years). Every second of every day 10^29 electrons are whipped and trampled. They scream and scream and scream.

K-40 inverse beta-decays. 5.14x10^21 g of Earth's atmosphere is 1.288% argon, 99.6% of that being Ar-40 from K-40 decay. 10^42 electrons did not go home since the Earth was formed. They were annihilated into photons by matter-antimatter cancellation.

Uncle Al likes the Liberal Arts! Crap always floats. "8^>)

9:56 PM, February 14, 2007

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Uncle Al, lepton colliders must first create positrons because lepton number is conserved and there are no positrons around. So, colliders allow positrons to have a short but intense life.

1:22 AM, February 15, 2007

Blogger Plato said...

B:Regarding the attention to take care of themselves, I have the suspicion that Einstein's legacy weights heavily on many of my male colleagues

I would suspect, as one learns more of the man, one might wonder "what was so great?"

While science progresses from the large to the small things. Vast changes, as to how we saw the world, now holds a vision of the small things as well. Much more dynamical.

How could one progress, if there were no conclusions in cosmology, to improve to the views of astrophysics?

Should the merits of science be attached to the "merits of the man" if they are not beholding to the ethics of the humanitarian? Practise their religions, and live according to the ten Commandments, or Jewish law? Be govern by the "Old One?"

So you go "one more step?"

While being "psychologically involved," one's enlightenment can become another's interpretation of the science, as it is turned inside out. Not mine, but Greene's.

"A circle" with a point in it. "A point" devoid of the boundary of some circle?

Imagine trying to hold both in check, so you develop E=mc Squared to be "highly symmetrical" and "any action there of," as an asymmetry?

"Fall short" or "go to fast?"

I am sorry, it is the student in me who makes conclusions. :) while "the perfecting" must go on.

"Always" open to correction.

4:43 AM, February 15, 2007

Blogger QUASAR9 said...

Hi Bee, this post seems to have expanded since I first read ...
and there's more

9:09 AM, February 15, 2007

Blogger QUASAR9 said...

"Extracting information about the structure of matter from hundreds of scattered particles whose initial motion is only know to a certain precision is like examining the outcome of a car crash, and trying to find out where the driver had dinner the night before."

lol! so how was your Valentine's Day - chocolates? and were they filled with liquers or bubbles?

9:12 AM, February 15, 2007

Blogger Rae Ann said...

"building large particle colliders isn't necessary for the survival of our species"

It might not seem so now, but who knows what the future holds?

Of course, I don't know enough to really make any predictions, but that's never stopped me before so here goes. ;-)

I think they'll discover a new thing (particle or string or something) that will be the "missing piece". I think they should call it the Eve Particle or Eve String. ;-)

Great and informative post. Thanks!

10:07 AM, February 15, 2007

Blogger R2K said...

: )

2:24 PM, March 12, 2007

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Large Hadron Collider [LHC] at CERN might create numerous different particles that heretofore have only been theorized. Numerous peer-reviewed science articles have been published on each of these, and if you google on the term "LHC" and then the particular particle, you will find hundreds of such articles, including:

1) Higgs boson

2) Magnetic Monopole

3) Strangelet

4) Miniature Black Hole [aka nano black hole]

In 1987 I first theorized that colliders might create miniature black holes, and expressed those concerns to a few individuals. However, Hawking's formula showed that such a miniature black hole, with a mass of under 10,000,000 a.m.u., would "evaporate" in about 1 E-23 seconds, and thus would not move from its point of creation to the walls of the vacuum chamber [taking about 1 E-11 seconds travelling at 0.9999c] in time to cannibalize matter and grow larger.

In 1999, I was uncertain whether Hawking radiation would work as he proposed. If not, and if a mini black hole were created, it could potentially be disastrous. I wrote a Letter to the Editor to Scientific American [July, 1999] about that issue, and they had Frank Wilczek, who later received a Nobel Prize for his work on quarks, write a response. In the response, Frank wrote that it was not a credible scenario to believe that minature black holes could be created.

Well, since then, numerous theorists have asserted to the contrary. Google on "LHC Black Hole" for a plethora of articles on how the LHC might create miniature black holes, which those theorists believe will be harmless because of their faith in Hawking's theory of evaporation via quantum tunneling.

The idea that rare ultra-high-energy cosmic rays striking the moon [or other astronomical body] create natural miniature black holes -- and therefore it is safe to do so in the laboratory -- ignores one very fundamental difference.

In nature, if they are created, they are travelling at about 0.9999c relative to the planet that was struck, and would for example zip through the moon in about 0.1 seconds, very neutrino-like because of their ultra-tiny Schwartzschild radius, and high speed. They would likely not interact at all, or if they did, glom on to perhaps a quark or two, barely decreasing their transit momentum.

At the LHC, however, any such novel particle created would be relatively 'at rest', and be captured by Earth's gravitational field, and would repeatedly orbit through Earth, if stable and not prone to decay. If such miniature black holes don't rapidly evaporate and are produced in copious abundance [1/second by some theories], there is a much greater probability that they will interact and grow larger, compared to what occurs in nature.

There are a host of other problems with the "cosmic ray argument" posited by those who believe it is safe to create miniature black holes. This continuous oversight of obvious flaws in reasoning certaily should give one pause to consider what other oversights might be present in the theories they seek to test.

I am not without some experience in science.

In 1975 I discovered the tracks of a novel particle on a balloon-borne cosmic ray detector. "Evidence for Detection of a Moving Magnetic Monopole", Price et al., Physical Review Letters, August 25, 1975, Volume 35, Number 8. A magnetic monopole was first theorized in 1931 by Paul A.M. Dirac, Proceedings of the Royal Society (London), Series A 133, 60 (1931), and again in Physics Review 74, 817 (1948). While some pundits claimed that the tracks represented a doubly-fragmenting normal nucleus, the data was so far removed from that possibility that it would have been only a one-in-one-billion chance, compared to a novel particle of unknown type. The data fit perfectly with a Dirac monopole.

While I would very much love to see whether we can create a magnetic monopole in a collider, ethically I cannot currently support such because of the risks involved.

For more information, go to: www.LHCdefense.org

Regards,

Walter L. Wagner (Dr.)

8:57 PM, September 06, 2007

Blogger notepad publishing said...

This is a quote from: http://www.notepad.ch

Strangelet, black hole or wormhole?


Source: CERN


Somebody which I meet at a park here in Geneva, Switzerland where our 2 labradors love to play together, told me today that it looks like during the experiement the CERN is starting this autumn 3 things could happen:

1. If all the calculations where right (and it's the first time we try this) it should give the world a BIG BANG

2. If somethings goes wrong only one of these things (and not both together) could happen:

A black hole
Just, depending on its size, sucks us slowly or faster in and could make us changing time zone in a funny way. But finally all this universe would get sucked in.

A wormhole
This means that an unique potential time travel awaiting (please fasten your seatbelt ;-). That actually has a good chance that we will time travel instantly, peacefully and in first class.

Well, OF COURSE I did not believe this person. But I was intrigued. This web site is just to diplay the views and opinions on this issue.

I think he has part of this information from the movie 'The Black Hole' ;-)

Now I understand it's (possibly incomplete list) about a collapse, a wormhole, a strangelet or a black hole

This blog has been completed in 24 hours. Why? Because only a few days are left until the warming up systems status is implemented at the LHT. A few days that may be the last we have.

As I live in Geneva, I would much care if a black hole sucked me in or if I would be on timetravel through the universes if the wormhole comes.

This is a quote from: http://www.notepad.ch

3:09 AM, April 29, 2008

Blogger Borja said...

What a post!. Thanks for all this information about all this stuff. I tell you, there is a lot of things, I mean large scale scientific projects, are starting just now. This means a lot of high-level scientific infrastructures as you said.

2:19 PM, April 15, 2009

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