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"How to publish your first scientific paper"

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Blogger Uncle Al said...

"stay far away from everything older than a century" The Equivalence Principle (mass and weight being in constant proportion) is Galileo, 1638. Present two marbles having local non-identical minimum action vacuum free fall trajectories, then Phys. Rev. Lett. Easy!

Somebody credible must drop and measure. 21st century diddling is embezzlement of research funding. Working off hours in France earns administrative vivisection. "foundations of quantum mechanics" Milgrom acceleration. Unlimited opportunities are imprisoned within wisps of proper procedure.

"Modesty" Toujours l'audace! Modesty after victory.

11:18 AM, September 11, 2015

Blogger Phillip Helbig said...

"But simple silence leaves me feeling guilty for contributing to the exclusivity myth of academia, the fable of the privileged elitists who smugly grin behind the locked doors of the ivory tower."

"Pre-print sharing, for example on the arxiv, is very common in some areas and less common in others. I would generally recommend it if you work in a fast moving field where the publication delay might limit your claim to originality."

Another reason is that, in many fields, a paper which is not on arXiv will be read much less than if it were on arXiv.

It is at least unclear if "anyone" can submit to arXiv, especially someone submitting their first paper. For someone at a real institute, this shouldn't be a problem, but above you claim that the exclusive ivory tower is a myth. You need at least an "endorsement" to submit to arXiv if you haven't submitted anything before. This is necessary, but not sufficient.

12:18 PM, September 11, 2015

Blogger Sabine Hossenfelder said...

Phillip,

You are right, sorry for the omission. Honestly, I just forgot about the endorsement requirement because when I was a student that simply didn't exist.

12:39 PM, September 11, 2015

Blogger DocG said...

I have a problem with a couple points. First, I don't agree that you shouldn't submit to more than one journal at a time. In my experience, it can take months and even years before anyone even gets back to you with a response, and in some cases the response is equivocal -- i.e., "we'll consider your paper if certain requirements are met" -- meaning more months or even years of waiting. While most journals "forbid" multiple submissions, if they really want your paper they'll publish it anyhow and if they don't they won't, regardless. Also what they don't know won't hurt them -- or you. I have no problem with the first come first serve approach -- the first editor to get back to me with a meaningful response is the one I'll take seriously. As for the rest, I don't feel sorry for them for being forced to embrace some degree of competition at the other end of the great power divide.

Also, I see no reason to cede copyright to any journal or any publisher, at any time during the process. If this is a "work for hire," that's different, but if it's an original piece of research it belongs to the author not the publisher. The only time I was asked to sign such a release I refused, and was promptly sent another release, permitting the publisher to reprint my work but NOT handing over copyright privileges. In most cases, that's all the publisher really needs, but they are too lazy/insensitive to bother with the distinction.

1:17 PM, September 11, 2015

Blogger Phillip Helbig said...

" I just forgot about the endorsement requirement because when I was a student that simply didn't exist."

Yes, Sabine, we are old. :-|

When they introduced the endorsement system, arXiv sent an email saying that those who already had put something there would be "grandfathered in". :-) OK, I'm not THAT old, yet. (I suppose I could become a grandfather any day, but it's not something I can control. As speakers of German will understand, "ich stecke nicht darin".) Of course, it's more important to remain mentally young. Mick Jagger is a great-grandfather and still manages to expend more energy at a concert than many people a quarter his age, and can still wear the same clothes he wore 50 years ago.

1:27 PM, September 11, 2015

Blogger Sabine Hossenfelder said...

DocG,

I don't know which journals you publish in, but at least in my field pretty much every journal requires you to confirm that you have not at the same time submitted your paper elsewhere. Anecdotically I hear that in the social sciences this isn't so.

As to the copyright, same thing. I don't have a huge problem with the copyright on scientific papers because it's not normally content I want to reuse elsewhere anyway. Except possibly figures, but this usually isn't an issue, I've never had a problem with a publisher to reuse my own figures.

I sometimes do have a problem with copyright forms for other text. I literally just refused signing a "work for hire" contract. (An unpaid one in addition. Makes me wonder what they are thinking.) Best,

B.

2:02 AM, September 12, 2015

Blogger Phillip Helbig said...

Yes, in physics it is submit to one journal at a time and if one submits elsewhere after rejection, mention this. But the turnaround is not years. These days, there are a few weeks between acceptance and publication. If there are more than a few weeks between submission and acceptance, it's because revision is necessary.

Copyright? I prefer to retain it unless the person or organization who wants it hired me to do the writing involved. That is essentially never the case. In practice, one retains the copyright but gives the journal an exclusive license for actual publication, or signs over the copyright but retains a non-exclusive license to post it on an open-access archive, one's own website, institutional website, etc. I prefer the former but can live with the latter.

11:14 AM, September 14, 2015

Blogger Uncle Al said...

http://motls.blogspot.com/2015/09/a-recipe-to-flood-physics-literature.html
http://motls.blogspot.com/2015/09/what-confirms-physical-theory.html

Luboš was exhaustive mathematical certainty. Quantum gravitation is empirically sterile. Luboš abandoning validation is Tommy Aquinas versus Baruch Spinoza, decorated with witch burnings.

Come in from phenomenology. Embrace classes of failure as diagnostics. Reach out orthogonal to failure. Chemistry offers outstanding tests of Official impossibility. Look. CENPA/Eöt-Wash Group, priests, and now Luboš say "it's OK if it doesn't work."


http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkeKnsHIcAEjcEE.jpg:large
It's not OK - Pyrex, steel, or vacuum.

7:45 PM, September 14, 2015

Blogger Sabine Hossenfelder said...

Uncle,

Thanks for the pointer. Lubos, as always hilarious, apparently didn't fully realize my blogpost is soaked in cynicism. Which should have been obvious by point 2 at the latest, or if not this should help.

8:39 AM, September 15, 2015

Blogger Julian Moore said...

And what is the recommended approach for someone who needs an arXiv endorsement for their first paper but who is not academically affiliated?

I sympathise with both sides: the serious and conscientious unaffiliated author and the serious and conscientious endorser whose time and goodwill are, if not already consumed, in jeopardy if they don't automatically ignore all approaches from unknown authors? After all, valid contributions from independents are rare.

But, if the author is claiming a suitably modest result, can write, argue, calculate and cite properly (though not necessarily without error), how does he or she cut the Gordian knot - even if only to seek corrections or rebuttal?

6:17 AM, September 16, 2015

Blogger Sabine Hossenfelder said...

Hi Julian,

You don't need an arxiv endorsement to publish a paper in a journal. I would suggest the independent researcher wanting to prove their work is interesting for the community first publishes a few papers in peer-reviewed journals. Then they can attend conferences giving talks about their work, which is really important to get into a new community. Almost all conferences will accept talks about published papers. Conference talks typically lead to some seminar invitations. And once you know a few people who think your work is interesting, who might maybe want to work with you and so on, you should have no problem finding someone to endorse you.

Best,

B.

6:55 AM, September 16, 2015

Blogger Julian Moore said...

Hi Sabine,

So, as Sean Carroll once put it, there's no substitute for really LaTeX'ing it all up (and submitting to journals) ;)

I suppose that if someone is prepared to put the intellectual effort into the intellectual content they should also be prepared to do the same for the presentation - but don't journals have (sometimes quite high) processing charges?

Institutions would normally cover the journal fees for their own researchers but independents would have to pay this themselves. Is the cumulative height of the barrier to publication reasonable?

The process you describe is, however, sensible (not that I expected any less)

Best regards

Julian

7:42 AM, September 16, 2015

Blogger Phillip Helbig said...

I basically agree with Sabine. The only problem is that many people read papers only from arXiv. However, if the paper has been accepted by a respected journal (note: not all peer-reviewed journals are respeced), try to find an endorser as soon as it is accepted. If the referee is not anonymous, you could ask him, or ask the journal editor to recommend an endorser.

There are some journals which won't consider papers from unaffiliated researchers, but there are enough which do.

9:10 AM, September 16, 2015

Blogger Sabine Hossenfelder said...

Julian,

What you say is actually the main reason I am opposed to author fees, which is what I believe you are referring to. However, at least in my field, the vast majority of journals do not charge the author. Unless, that is, you want extras like color printed figures, supplements, or an open access option. I have never have to pay a fee for my publications. Best,

B.

1:17 PM, September 16, 2015

Blogger Phillip Helbig said...

"- but don't journals have (sometimes quite high) processing charges?

Institutions would normally cover the journal fees for their own researchers but independents would have to pay this themselves."


As Sabine says, most journals don't have page charges, at least in some fields. In astronomy/astrophysics/(astronomical/astrophysical) cosmology, the leading journals are MNRAS, A&A, ApJ and AJ. The first two have no page charges at all (except for colour figures in the printed version), the second do.

4:10 AM, September 17, 2015

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