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Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the wider point that Cameron makes is that government and local authorities should not partner with organisations who render apologetics for extremism, or are propagators of extremism themselves.

If we were facing a prolonged campaign of white supremacist Neo-Nazi terrorist attacks and plans for terrorist attacks at the level we are facing it would be fair to discredit the white supremacist racist Neo-Nazi campaign and ensure that opponents of them are partnered and promoted.

There is a confluence and overlap between non violent extremists and the dehumanising world view of ISIS. They agree on many aspects - the men who follow Maududi and his vision of life for example are offering an ISIS worldview without the strategic use of violence. Cameron's speech opens up this long neglected field, the laziness with which people accept that Islamists in the UK openly promote ideas and beliefs that are really intolerant and supremacist and that underlie the justification to violence.

This is quite apart from the openly Salafi Jihadi CAGE, who have many supporters and sponsors on the left side of our establishment, the ongoing activism of caliphate supporters in towns and cities.

///Andy///

24 July 2015 at 05:02

Blogger Lorenzo said...

There is no conveyer belt: there is optional framing however. That is, terrorism in the modern world is dominated by folk choosing the jihadi option. It provides the framing within which those so inclined by a combination of personal inclination and belief take up. Joining ISIS may be psychopathic sex tourism, but that is a program being offered in a very specific context.

24 July 2015 at 17:51

Anonymous amie said...

YOu cite Bob Lambert uncritically, without caveat. This is the 13th Strike of the clock which taints the credibility of the entire article

25 July 2015 at 04:54

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fine. Then the 26,000 + terrorist attacks since 9/11 all correlate to one ideology? Answer: no. They all correlate to one religion. is lam. Started by a murderous pedophile.

26 July 2015 at 18:35

Anonymous Graham said...

Maajid Nawaz's response to the Guardian's opinion desk editor, re their rubbishing of the 'conveyer belt' view:
'You conveniently omitted at this stage my long explanation on exactly why the conveyor-belt theory is a red-herring. What I said was that whether or not non-violent extremism empirically leads to violence, misses the point entirely. Like racism, non-violent extremist ideas (e.g: that in an ideal Islamic state apostates must be ‘killed in their millions’) are bad for social cohesion, regardless of whether they lead to immediate violence. For example, just because generic racism or generic homophobia also cannot be empirically proven to lead to immediate violence, this doesn’t mean we simply tolerate such social ills in society. IN fact, we don't tolerate them. Yes, let us only ban violence (you also omitted at this point I referenced that I have consistently advised UK Prime Ministers against banning HT in the UK), but what we can certainly do - as we do with homophobia and racism - is to challenge non-violent extremist ideas in civil society in order to make them a taboo. I mentioned that I call this doctrine one of legal tolerance coupled with civic intolerance. I then went to state that despite the absence of empirical evidence either way, what cannot be denied is that there is a relationship, a link, to whatever extent, between believing that it is okay to kill apostates, and actually killing them. It is silly to deny that a pre-requisite for the act of killing apostates, is the belief that it is okay to kill them...'

If you're certain there's no causality between islamism and terrorism, I look forward to a blog post explaining the relationship that actually exists between these things, and what really causes the latter.

3 August 2015 at 12:34

Blogger Anthony said...

AM, as always a well-researched post. I also saw David Paxton's response to this. I think you're right that Islamism does not cause terrorism but I think it does make it more deadly. It's about stopping suicide-belts not conveyor-belts, as I write here: http://anthonycooper.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/conveyor-belts-and-suicide-belts.html

10 August 2015 at 08:35

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