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Blogger Michael said...

Great post! Thanks.

Mind if I make a couple of comments / questions?

You have used here the phrase: 'knowledge and vision of experience as it is'

In previous teachings, I'd had this stage explained to me as ‘knowledge and vision of things as they really are'. (See Sangharakshita’s ‘A Guide to the Buddhist Path’, for example)

But what you have used here (knowledge of experience) makes a lot more sense to me; all we really have direct contact with is our own experience rather Reality itself, surely.
So thanks for clarifying that.

Another comment - more a question, really.

OK, sometimes we may feel we have crept along this path a little bit. Especially in meditation: joy -rapture - calm. But all too quickly we fall off again. So presumably we may begin to move along this path many many times and fall back until eventually one makes it all the way through, completely and utterly (maybe the our previous steps along this path were superficial?) Is that how it supposed to work?

Many thanks. Enjoy reading your weekly rave.

Sunday, May 16, 2010

Blogger Jayarava said...

Hi Michael,

Thoughtful comments are always welcome. Yes, I think a lot of us are reassessing Sangharakshita's earlier use of terminology around Reality (capital R) including perhaps Subhuti who I gather has been having a number of conversations with Sangharakshita on this subject. I've written quite a lot about this so have a poke around in the archives for more.

Until we reach the point of no return we can have ups and downs. It is a bit like a house, if the foundations are unsound, the walls are unstable, and without unstable walls the roof can not stay up. A castle *can* be built on sand, but it doesn't *stay* up. I read the sutta as directing our attention to ethics. If we slip back then the foundations need to be shored up - we need to look to the fundamentals to ensure they are strong enough. That is to say we need to address matters of conscience and behaviour if our meditation practice is ineffective. This is perhaps the most demanding aspect of Buddhist practice - we must take responsibility for the state of our own mind.

I'm as wary about terms like "completely" and "utterly" as I am about "Reality", "Absolute" and "Ultimate". It's not a matter of superlatives - these are the province of fundamentalist religion. However the tradition suggests that we can have a decisive experience which make a lasting change to our relationship to sensory experience such that we are freed from delusions about it, we are no longer intoxicated by pleasure. This is knowledge and vision - these two terms are simply synonyms: seeing is knowing and vice versa. We have the same kinds of metaphors in English: see what I mean? It may be a single life-changing event, or it may build up over years and decades. But practice brings us up against the nature of our experience and opens the possibility of understanding not only the experience itself, but the underlying mechanisms for how we process sensory data. We play it down but 'understanding' is one of the possible translations of 'bodhi' and Buddha (the past-participle) can simply mean '[one who has] understood'.

Thanks for your comments.

Best Wishes
Jayarava

Sunday, May 16, 2010

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