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OpenID meaningness said...

Perhaps part of the problem is that there has been a deliberate homogenization of Buddhisms, plural, into "Buddhism." This has been a strategy of Western Buddhist modernism since the 1800s. (I say "Western" because Asian Buddhist modernisms tended to be nationalistic—although there are exceptions, such as Anagarika Dharmapala's ecumenicalism.) The "One Dharma" approach (I've griped about it elsewhere) sought to eliminate all distinctions between Buddhist approaches, as a strategy of power (I think). If there is only One Dharma, then *someone* gets to define it. (Maybe the person who wrote the book! And his friends.)

If someone says "I'm a Buddhist," that tells you nothing (unless you can guess from context, dress, etc.). If someone says "I'm a Triratna Buddhist" (or Pure Land Buddhist, etc.), that starts to be meaningful.

I would advocate restoring such distinctions—partly because they are useful, and partly because they will hasten the final death of "One Dharma"-ism!

Friday, October 30, 2015

Blogger Jayarava Attwood said...

Part of the problem is that nationalism is seen as a potent evil. It's associated with right-wing, authoritarian politics and backward attitudes to human rights. Even more so than Dharmapala's day.

The other problem with emphasising tribalism (again)is that we are very few in number, on the whole. Buddhists are less than 1% of the population in most WEIRD countries. Start dividing us up and we become statistically insignificant. Linking up gives Buddhists a sense of being part of something larger than just their local context. This is a good thing.

On the whole expanding the group one identifies or empathises with seems to be a good thing. Not everyone is genuinely able to do this, but those who push the boundaries are breaking down age-old prejudices against minorities.

National distinctions make little sense in Modern Buddhism. But yes, if I say, "I'm a Triratna Buddhist" (a teacher/community-based distinction), then that is meaningful anywhere in the Triratna world. In the rest of the Buddhist world... well let's just say that things seem to have calmed down on that front, but I'm still never quite sure what kind of reception I'll get. On the other hand I'm really, really not representative of the Triratna movement, so what the label says about me might still be quite misleading.

So which distinctions do we adopt/restore? It's clear that existing sectarian names are hardly more meaningful in many cases than "Buddhist" is.

Saturday, October 31, 2015

Blogger Solomon Buccola said...

Perhaps the concept you are looking for is Wittgenstein's notion of family resemblance - basically the idea that many words do not actually draw on a single central essence but on a series of overlapping similarities amongst the things that they describe. Just because the word "buddhist" by itself does not provide you with any single certain fact about a person does not mean that the word is meaningless. This condition is actually fairly common among words and is part of how language works.

Saturday, October 31, 2015

Blogger Jayarava Attwood said...

Hi Solomon,

As I say in the essay, the terms I'm using, like "prototype", are drawn from a theory of categorization produced by George Lakoff in his book Women, Fire, and Dangerous Things. It does indeed draw on Wittgenstein's family resemblances, but takes the idea a great deal further and uses empirical studies to root it in a way that Wittgenstein did not. If you are interested in this subject I recommend WFADT. It's an academic book, so not an easy read, but quite fascinating none the less. As it all of Lakoff's work.

I disagree with you about the meaninglessness of a word that conveys nothing. I disagree that it is part of how language works. Language works for precisely the opposite reason: that in general we agree on what words mean. There is a phenomenon in which a word can become a "floating signifier" which is what "Buddhist" is. It means something different to each user. A floating signifier is meaningless unless we know something about what the user of the word intends us to understand.

If I say to you "haere mai, taku hoa", you can guess that I'm using words. But unless you happen to be familiar with the Korero Māori you won't understand. You need to know the context in which these words are used - the language and culture. If you used a dictionary you might guess that the words mean "come here, my friend". But this is, in fact, an idiom that might not be in the dictionary. In fact, it means "Greetings, my friend". though in the right context, perhaps accompanied by the appropriate gesture, it can also take the unidiomatic meaning. A word that is a floating signifier is like a word from another language we are unfamiliar with. It doesn't convey anything to us.

Or worse a floating signifier can be what the French call a faux amis, a "false friend" because it looks like a concept you are familiar with and you assume that I mean the same thing. This is another manifestation of confirmation bias. All too often I say, "I'm a Buddhist" and the person I'm talking to assumes they know what I mean by that. If they are familiar with Buddhism they might make a number of assumptions about my worldview. Then I start talking about my research and they get confused. They ask, "How can you be a Buddhist if you think that?" The word that seems familiar has led them to false conclusions, because we use it differently.

I've become aware that when someone else says they are a Buddhist I can make no assumptions about them at all. This is based on my past assumptions proving to be wrong virtually all of the time. Though of course you are right and there are some overlaps. But my experience suggests that one cannot know in advance where overlaps might occur or to what extent they do overlap.

Saturday, October 31, 2015

Blogger Swanditch said...

I read Chapman's index piece* and it's clickbaity grandstanding. He pretends to be discussing Buddhist ethics but omits mention of the Eightfold Path and the Ten Good Courses of Action, and fails even to acknowledge the ultimate goal of Buddhist ethics: complete liberation. Is there a self-proclaimed Buddhist anywhere who does not at least pay lip service to the ideal of liberation?

"Why, then, do monks dominate the popular imagination of Buddhism?" - For the same reason that priests, monks and nuns dominate the popular conception of Catholicism: they are held to embody the religion, to be its truest, most thorough practitioners. Your lay Sri Lankan will undoubtedly assent to this, as will your San Francisco WEIRD-o.

*https://meaningness.wordpress.com/2015/09/23/buddhist-ethics-is-a-fraud/

Sunday, November 01, 2015

Blogger Swanditch said...

One more knock at Chapman:

quoth he:

"The various codes of conduct (lay precepts, vinaya, bodhisattva paramitas, samaya) [do not] contain anything that would come as useful news to Westerners. Traditional Buddhist moral teachings that are correct are all found in other religions, including Christianity."

The canonical suttas constantly insist that the ethical standards they propound are universal, that the wise in all times and places assert the same standards. Why does Chapman insert the value "novelty" into a discussion of Buddhist ethics? He never explains the value or meaning of this assumption.

Sunday, November 01, 2015

Blogger Jayarava Attwood said...

Hi Swanditch,

I think that in reading my friend David's recent critique of Buddhist ethics is that he is talking mainly about his own category of "Consensus Buddhism". It is this Consensus Buddhism which has tacitly allowed it's ethical teachings to converge with modern liberal ethics. He may wish to reply, but my understanding is that he is saying that CB'ists teach the 8-fold path or the dasakusalakammapatha as though they were liberal humanism.

However, we conceive the "ultimate goal" of ethics, and I'm not entirely convinced by your assertion that it is liberation, the fact is that the end is not in question here. It is the means that David is questioning - we say that we aim at liberation, but we practice secular humanist ethics.

He also quotes Damien Keown as arguing that there is no systematic consideration of ethics. The lists of good behaviours have no justification or rationale beyond the articles of faith of Buddhism. It boils down to this, "If you act like so; and don't act like so; then you will be liberated; because that's how liberated people behave." It's a very, very simplistic view of what ethics is. And there really is no more sophisticated argument in Buddhism. And I think David is saying, this is partly why modern Buddhists have turned to secular ethics.

My opinion is that Buddhists had a kind of Golden Rule rationale for ethics, in common with many pre-modern cultures. I see it in the much misunderstood Kālāma Sutta for example. It boils down to "Do unto others what you would have them do unto you". David's argument is that this is insufficient in a modern setting and in other essays sets out some interesting ideas about more sophisticated approaches to ethics, based on a synthesis of writing by Robert Kegan and his own understanding of Tantric Buddhism.

I also disagree with you on why monks dominate the popular imagination. I think they do so because they established a power structure, an asymmetrical relationship, in which they and the laypeople play their roles. Of course the lay people have to be complicit in this, they must consent to be subject to the monks, but the monks have defined the roles and are the power brokers. The monasteries are also usually the richest entities in the nation - they own huge tracts of land etc. Except for China most Buddhist countries have not had an English style Reformation, and nor have kings claimed back all of that untaxable wealth from the monks. China has done this at least once, towards the middle of the 9th century, late Tang Dynasty (ca 850 CE if memory serves).

It's a variation on "the winners write history".

I for one certainly do not assent to the idea that monks "embody the religion, to be its truest, most thorough practitioners". Indeed, I think this is patently untrue, especially if we discount credulous hagiography and hyperbole (especially that composed by and transmitted by monks themselves!). Some people who embody the religion may well be monks. Many more monks hardly seem to embody anything of the religion, other than wearing robes and shaving their heads. This anyone can do. I've done it. And many non-monks of my acquaintance embody the Dharma in a far more thorough-going way than any monk I've ever met. Being a monk is just a lifestyle decision. Nothing more. Buddhaghosa was of the opinion that a monastic setting was not particularly conducive to meditation and recommended getting away from the monastery if one was serious about meditation! (Visuddhimagga)

Sunday, November 01, 2015

Blogger Jayarava Attwood said...

re your second comment, David insists that Buddhist ethics be recognisably Buddhist precisely because we call them "Buddhist ethics" rather than just "ethics". He insists that this is especially true of the Consensus Buddhists that he is critiquing. If, as he argues, there is nothing Buddhist about them (because as they are actually taught and put into practice they are simply liberal secular ethics) then we ought to stop saying that we teach special Buddhist ethics. To me, this is quite explicit in David's writing and I'm puzzled that you could read his work and not understand this.

Raising the possibility of universal ethics is interesting. I've never made much of a study of morality, but it seems to me that universal ethics is a myth rather than a reality. Presumably if Buddhism did teach universal ethics then Buddhists would not disagree on ethical matters. But of course, they do. Any number of ethical issues are disputed, e.g. meat eating, abortion, consumption of alcohol and other intoxicants, etc. Like the definition of "Buddhist" I think the definition of "Buddhist ethics" is interpreted in many different ways. I see nothing very universal about Buddhist teachings on behaviour, and I see nothing very universal about how Buddhists actually behave.

Sunday, November 01, 2015

Blogger DCW said...

With this in mind, my answer to the problem is that it seems that anyone who calls themselves a Buddhist, is a Buddhist. (Jayarava).

Appears to be true as far as the facts go, thinking about some heads of state in East Asian countries usually referred to as Buddhist.

I shall propose an alternative definition. Anyone who respects the Buddha (Siddhartha Gautama) is a Buddhist. However, we cannot identify a Buddhist unless he acknowledges and demonstrates in some manner that he respescts the Buddha.

In Sri Lanka, if you utter the expression, 'Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammasambuddhassa' three times (a solemn promise) is a Buddhist. The expression is taught by one's elders. The reason to respect the Buddha is, all Sri Lankan traditions conducive to growth can be traced back to the Buddha's teaching without exception.

Tuesday, January 12, 2016

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