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Blogger S said...

*sounds of loud cheering*

Richard Feynman (Nobel Prize, 1965) said "Nature does not know what you are looking at, and she behaves the way she is going to behave whether you bother to take down the data or not" (Feynman et al., 1965 quoted in Nauenberg, 2011).

Murray Gellmann (Nobel Prize, 1969) said "The universe presumably couldn't care less whether human beings evolved on some obscure planet to study its history; it goes on obeying the quantum mechanical laws of physics irrespective of observation by physicists" (Rosenblum and Kuttner 2006, 156 quoted in Nauenberg, 2011).

Anthony J. Leggett (Nobel Prize 2003) said "It may be somewhat dangerous to explain something one does not understand very well [the quantum measurement process] by invoking something [consciousness] one does not understand at all!" (Leggett, 1991 quoted in Nauenberg, 2011).

Refs:

Feynman, R.P., Leighton, R.B., Sands,M. (1965). The Feynman lectures on Physics vol. 3 (Addison Wesley, Reading ) 3-7

Leggett, A. (1991) Reflections on the Quantum Paradox, In: Quantum Implications, Routledge, London, p. 94

Nauenberg, M. (2011) "Does Quantum Mechanics Require A Conscious Observer?" Journal of Cosmology, 2011, Vol. 14. (http://journalofcosmology.com/Consciousness139.html)

Rosenblum, B and Kuttner, F. (2006). Quantum Enigma, Physics En- counters Consciousness . Oxford Univ. Press, p. 106

Friday, July 18, 2014

Blogger Swanditch said...

Why is Korea worrying example?

Sunday, July 20, 2014

Blogger Jayarava Attwood said...

You don't find Kim Jong-Un worrying?

Sunday, July 20, 2014

Blogger Swanditch said...

I assumed by the unmodified name "Korea" you meant South Korea. It wouldn't have occurred to me to link Buddhism with the North Korean regime in any fashion.

Sunday, July 20, 2014

Blogger Jayarava Attwood said...

The history of Buddhism in Korea is quite long and illustrious. When I referred to Korea I meant Korea as a whole. The North/South divide is relatively recent. Even the North was until quite recently a "Buddhist country", though of course Korea was not always historically unified. As I recall it was a massive Chinese army from Buddhist Tang China that imposed unity on the three kingdoms of the peninsular. I know too little about the changes that led to Kim dynasty, but clearly being a Buddhist country does not prevent the rise of military dictatorships and on average one would have to say there is a high correlation between Buddhism as a national religion and militaristic and/or fascistic government.

The funny thing is that nothing would make us link Buddhism to the military regime in North Korea. But what would cause us to make the link in China/Tibet, or Burma, or Sri Lanka, or Thailand, or Vietnam, Cambodia, or Laos. But there is one thing that all these militaristic states have in common. They all are, or were, Buddhist. Who would have thought that in Sri Lanka bhikkhus would be ultra-nationalists and fascists stirring up hatred for and violence against the Tamil minority for example? Or that peaceful Bhutan would persecute and drive out refugees from Nepal. Who could have predicted the bloodbath in Buddhist Burma when the British left, or the current communal violence being led by Buddhists? Who would have predicted Pol Pot in happily Buddhist Cambodia? Or the Kim dynasty in North Korea. And so on.

The whole point is that we expect one thing from Buddhism and we see something else. Buddhism might be good for individuals, but it is terrible for nations.

Sunday, July 20, 2014

Blogger Swanditch said...

Oh I fully agree with your view of the relationship between Buddhism and politics. I'd go farther and say that all the major Asian religions are amenable to totalitarian forms of government. I first noticed in in Taoism - the Tao Te Ching explicitly says that the common people should shut up and not make waves. Hinduism's caste system and the political aims of the Bhagavad Gita are well known. And Confucianism was of course designed from the ground up as a means to strengthen the power of the state.

As regards North Korea, I think the machinations of China have more to do with the current regime than the putative Buddhist passivity of the populace. Compare the US's support for various totalitarian governments in South and Central America.

Sunday, July 20, 2014

Blogger Jayarava Attwood said...

China's history of embracing Buddhism goes back further than Korea's, though Confucianism is often the stronger influence. So China's malevolence in the present is still part of the complex we're talking about.

On the other hand there is this story from Cambodia.

Monday, July 21, 2014

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