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Blogger Swanditch said...

On the idea that we developed a consciousness that harms us:

"All right, it's a truism, but still, making one's peace with this is impossible--the idea that millions of people sense that their lives are somehow defective and deprived (although what they are deprived of, they do not know), and when they attempt to express something, all that comes out of their mouths is a stammering of blind hatred and aggression. Then they die, and who would dare to weigh their poor souls on the scales of good and evil?" - Czeslaw Milosz, To Begin Where I Am, p 434

Sunday, August 18, 2013

Blogger jonckher said...

"Recently more and more people are stepping forward to say that they are liberated in various ways."

Have you got some names / links - I'm interested in what they have to say about it and how they know.

Tuesday, August 20, 2013

Blogger Jayarava Attwood said...

The names that seem to crop up most often are: Gary Webber and Daniel Ingram.

But dozens of people are claiming some kind of attainment via the Liberation Unleashed website.

Tuesday, August 20, 2013

Blogger Adam Cope said...

Warm Greetings Jayarava

I've been enjoying your recent thoughts about religion & evolution.

. A really deep look at society reveals that it not only requires "a major reconfiguration of our political and economic institutions" but that our minds need reconfiguring at a fundamental level to take account of the slowness of evolution and the speed of cultural change.

This sounds like Joanna Macy's Turning Point. Her human history goes:

scavenger =>fire wielder/tool maker => nomadic hunter gather =>settled agrarian => industrialized urban global capitalist/corporation => then she posits the chance of a next step to ecologically responsible world citizen, holistically aware of the planet as an entire system & thus a little less anthropomorphically self-centered (or else face 6th Mass Extinction)

i.e. a change of consciousness is required to become better adapted to our twenty-first century environment. IMO, we haven't really taken onboard the fact that species either adapt or become extinct. It's ironic that the popular response to our threat of extinction as a species (or our civilization at least) is frequently projected onto the planet as 'save our planet' & not 'save our species'… again the personification of exterior forces & not seeing our own place in the order of events.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I've been reading up on the evolution of consciousness recently & came across this :

" The Cambrian explosion was a burst of evolution 540 million years ago. Organisms present at the Cambrian onset included small worms and urchins. Did consciousness (Orch OR) cause the Cambrian explosion?…….

Would consciousness be advantageous to survival (above and beyond intelligent, complex behavior)? It seems that, yes, consciousness would indeed be advantageous to survival, and hence capable of accelerating evolution. Non-computable behavior (unpredictability, intuitive actions) would be beneficial in predator-prey relations. Having conscious experience of taste would promote finding food; the experience of pain would promote avoiding predators. And the pleasurable qualia of sex would promote reproduction." What is Consciousness?

http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/presentations/whatisconsciousness.html

Sounds to my ear pretty much like sukkha & dukkha (though there's no mention for the pain of not getting what one wants in the above i.e. hunger, fear, absence & death) …. built-in right back in the beginning of consciousness.

Agree with you about personification & agency in a moral universe. But if one looks at consciousness as a way of adapting & surviving/avoiding death rather than a tool with a teleological twist, issues of fairness/unfairness are side stepped & thus there is the possibility of the new kind of thinking along the lines of planet-as-a-whole system with evolution, not agency at it's core.

Saturday, August 31, 2013

Blogger Jayarava Attwood said...

Hi Adam

I think Macy's plan is a little too simple. After hunter-gather we diversify. I see at least: slash and burn agriculture, settled agriculture, settled animal herders, nomadic animal herders. Some of these are so stable/successful they are found still.

What happens next seems uncertain at best. I'm wary of any prediction that uses an ideological basis - i.e. I'm wary of anyone who predicts that the next step in evolution will be a vindication of Buddhism.

"Did consciousness cause the Cambrian explosion?"

No.

Any time you read the word "quantum" in connection with something other than sub-atomic particles replace it with the word "bullshit".

Saturday, August 31, 2013

Blogger Adam Cope said...

Thanks for yr skepticism.

Yes I did simply Macy.

Re-Agriculture : why stop off there? Contemporary agriculture is mechanized, industralised, scientised... and serves an industiral, urban species with extreme population growth.

Re-vindication 'buddhism or extinction': yes the old axes to grind... but there's a lot of evidence towards the collapse of an unsustainable culture (Jared Diamond). Mass extinctions as well as individual species dye-out are a sobering lesson from evolution... As is trying to fully understand the reality of Impermance.

Re-"Quantum": Agree the learned professor does have a somewhat cosmic bent (i didn't understand all the maths in his article) ... but the word "quantum leap" is appropriate for the Cambrian Explosion. Maybe what happened was more the other way round i.e. the conditions that allowed for better specialization lead to (Orch OR) consciousness... First grow a tentacle, then grow a brain? Then, with a lot wiggling between pain & pleasure, the first traces of a simple mind happens.

What to do you think of trying to read sukkha/dukkha into the evolution of consciousness? A biasis, a distortion no doubt...

I've been wanting to ask you please, if there's a précis anywhere concerning Sangharaskshita's view on spiritual evolution? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_evolution

Just interested :-)



Thursday, September 05, 2013

Blogger El Blog said...


Thank very much to you for offering your so valuable and loving work. My study and practice of Buddhism have been enriched and have orienting by reading its pages. They are a great, extraordinary contribution to all people.

(Please, excuse for my limited writing English proficiency, I'm Spanish-speaker).

Lily

Monday, June 23, 2014

Blogger El Blog said...


Thank very much to you for offering your so valuable and loving work. My study and practice of Buddhism have been enriched and have orienting by reading this pages,the blog. They are a great, extraordinary contribution to all people. ( Excuse for my limited writing English proficiency, I'm Spanish-speaker).

Lily

Monday, June 23, 2014

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