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Blogger James Bradwell said...

I think the two truths, while obviously ontological, are also much more practical than you give them credit for. The absolute truth is basically the desolate metaphysics that's left over after Buddhism's analysis eliminates spurious entities from its ontology. The relative truth, on the other hand, is very pragmatic: It's what you're going to have to live with anyway, regardless of your clever ideas about ontology. You can speculate on non-self and dependent arising all you want, but once some actual suffering occurs, can you simply remain indifferent to it by telling yourself, "I don't exist?" However true this may be from the standpoint of someone contemplating the deeper points of Buddhist metaphysics or analyzing the skandhas in the context of meditation, until we actually gain an unassailable realization of it, when we're confronted by suffering in our experience this absolute truth will have the flavor of self-deception. The idea of relative truth pays respect to this fact. There is no self, but we still have to live with ourselves.

Of course, in the Mahayana, it is emphasized that dependent arising and selflessness are inseparable. It is said that the deeper one's understanding of emptiness, the more meticulous will be one's attention to dependent arising. There is a deep point here, and I cannot say I fully understand it, but it is worth contemplating. Guru Rinpoche also said, "My view is vaster than space, but my conduct is finer than a grain of sand." I'm sorry if that is too Tibetan for you, but I suppose the point is that the two truths are not so easily dispensed with; they are necessary for understanding how the whole picture hangs together.

If you think about it, the problem is not limited to a tension between not-self and karma-and-rebirth. If there is no self, then why bother with any kind of spiritual path in the first place? Why should I try to attain cessation, if "I" do not exist? Indeed why should I even give a thought to what I will do in the next moment, if there is no personal continuity through time?

The answer seems to be: because I am sitting here thinking about this, and because I am troubled by my suffering and I am vexed by my doubts about not-self and dependent arising--and it is not enough to just tell myself that I am not. That seems to be the starting point. The very fact that I am experiencing myself as a singular person with problems that I want to overcome--that's why I care about karma and moksha.

As for whether or not Buddhism really originates in a founder, it seems much more likely to me that the Buddha was a historical sramana rather than a mythical culture hero. We have, after all, many accounts of his interactions with other sramanas and their diverse schools of thought. Given the exploratory climate of the shramana movement, it seems rather more likely that Buddhism originates from the insights of one of those intrepid shramanas rather than a cultural synthesis of the Shakya people.

Thursday, March 27, 2014

Blogger Jayarava Attwood said...

Hi James,

You start off boldly claiming that the Two truths are somehow practical and sadly do not provide any practical advantages. The Two Truths have no practical applications that I can see. They are a metaphysical fudge for a metaphysical problem.

People keep saying "there is no self" but this is a nihilistic fallacy. There are two wrong statements about the self:

1. the self exists;
2. the self does not exist.

They are wrong because existence (astitā) and non-existence (nāstitā) do not, can not, apply to experience. It's quite simple. There are not Two Truths about experience (in this respect). It's not that from one point of view the self is an entity that exists and from another it is an entity that does not exist. That's just two wrong views, not two truths. Self isn't an entity.

There is one truth with respect to self: the experience of *being a self* (which we all have) is a dependently arisen experience, and shares the characteristics of all experiences: impermanence, disappointment, and insubstantiality. Sometimes we experience being a self and sometimes not. The latter is usually associated with complete unconsciousness.

All the Two truths do is allow us to continue labouring under ontological speculations. And they force us to hold the cognitive dissonance of two contradictory views. Thus to my mind it is imperative that we dispense with the Two truths.

The other thing that people don't seem to be able to get their heads around is that the "evidence" (or "accounts" or "records") for what the Buddha was like are *all* part of the literature of early Buddhists. The illusion is that this literature is something like an accurate history of North India in the middle of the first millennium BC. But it is nothing of the kind. What minimal archaeological evidence we have for early Buddhism begins around the time of Asoka (about 150 years after the Buddha might have died) and, as Greg Schopen has pointed out, this evidence almost always contradicts the texts. There is no independent corroboration of the texts.

So there may well have been an historical Buddha, but we know nothing about him. The early Buddhists had no restraint in creating the traditional Buddha as an idealised version of what they most wanted him to be like. And centuries in which to refine the narratives. What we know of other śrāmaṇas also comes from this literature. So all our information comes from a small community of religieux who had none of the restrains of modern cultural commentators or historians. Their purpose was the glorification of their religion, and gaining converts and patrons. If we are going to draw conclusions based on this material we must proceed very carefully and as far as possible set aside our desire for a particular result (and yet confirmation bias is a feature of individual reasoning, not a bug).

It seems increasingly likely to me that the Śākyas already had a culture hero, there own Prometheus, when they entered India ca. 1000 BC. And "the Buddha" is that figure with various overlays, particularly Brahmanical.

Thursday, March 27, 2014

Blogger James Bradwell said...

You claim that Buddhist doctrine refers to experience and not at all to ontology. But what happens when a monk through meditation dismantles the experience of the self and stops experiencing the self? Does he simply have another experience, the experience of non-self? It would seem that unless the latter experience is seen as more veridical than the former, there would be no reason to prefer the one over the other and no impetus to strive on the path. But then if the experiential understanding of not-self is veridical, we are squarely back in the realm of ontology, I'm afraid, and we must conclude: There is no self.

There is another problem with what you're saying. If there is a tension between the doctrine of dependent arising, not-self and discontinuity of personhood, on the one hand, and the foundation of Buddhist ethics, karma and rebirth, on the other, then surely the tension is there only because of the ontological content of the not-self doctrine, a consequence of the Buddhist analysis of persons into psycho-physical aggregates. If you claim that avoiding ontology and sticking to a description of just the dependent arising of experience avoids the tensions and contradictions (I am not sure that you are claiming this, but it seems that you are tending in that direction), and that this non-ontological approach was shared by the early Buddhists, then there was no tension for the early Buddhists, and thus you are deprived of support for your idea that there is an unresolvable plurality. And indeed it seems to me that the apparent problem only arises if we take the ontological stance that there is no self and no continuity of personhood; otherwise what is there that is unresolved?

The two truths are practical in exactly the way I have already boldly described, in that they are a framework that allows us to navigate the tension between Buddhist metaphysics and ethics, for the simple reason that we are confronted quite realistically by the facts of our own experienced existence and the situations that we must actually deal with. It is very raw and personal, and mere abstractions cannot dispel the concrete givens. I don't know how to explain it better than that, but if you have any doubts than you can look to the way that practitioners make reference to the two truths to avoid nihilism and maintain conduct; the fact that people still use this framework of the two truths for guidance suffices to prove its practicality. In fact the way that the two truths are talked about in the context of practice instructions differs somewhat from the theoretical presentations and it is worth considering.

The lack of extra-scriptural evidence for a historical Buddha does not strike me as anything close to a good reason for supposing that the Buddha was some kind of Shakya-Brahmin composite culture hero. After all, the evidence for a historical Jesus comes from Christian gospels, each of which paints a rather different portrait of the man, and yet most scholars accept that Jesus was an actual historical person.

Thursday, March 27, 2014

Blogger Jayarava Attwood said...

It's the *problems* that interest me. Not the solutions.

Friday, March 28, 2014

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