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Blogger 賈尼 said...

Are you familiar with the Swedish TV series Real Humans about human-like robots [called hubots in the series] whose behaviour becomes more and more human-like? I'd love to read your thoughts about it.

Friday, June 27, 2014

Blogger Jayarava Attwood said...

Nope. I haven't seen that show.

Robots that become more human is just a variation on the Pinocchio story (1883). Pinocchio is such a good story that it keeps being retold with variations. The original story draws broadly on mythological themes regarding the origins and development of humanity and it repeats some Vitalist speculations on life and humanity.

But none of the cells in your body, or any living cell, started off as dead and was animated. All cells are formed by budding from currently living cells and symbiotic recombination. As yet we cannot plausibly trace this process back to a big bang of life, but it seems likely that the transition from organic chemistry in thermodynamic equilibrium to living chemistry which deflects a system from equilibrium was gradual.

The popularity of the Pinocchio story I suppose represents the continuing interest in these questions and the enduring appeal of Vitalism. After all vitalism makes us special. In forms like Commander Data of Star Trek TNG, the story allows writers to speculate on what one has to add to matter into order make a human - in Data's case mere consciousness and the ability to emulate human behaviour is not enough. Data lacks emotions. It is typically Romantic to associate emotions with humanity and to dissociate them from consciousness. ST essentialises the emotions so that they can be switched on and off distinct from the operation of the body. It's a seriously outdated understanding of the human organism. In our bodies emotions are essential to the function of reason for example - we use emotions to represent the importance of any given piece of information. Decision making in the absence of emotion is impossible for a human being because without them we have no way to distinguish which facts are salient to a decision and no basis to decide which is most important. The failure to grasp this, or to appreciate how people judge salience, stymies many long running discussions between various estates in society. One thinks particularly of the failure of scientists to convey the importance of evolution.

In a way I don't really need to see another TV show about robots becoming human. I'm familiar with Asimov's Robot stories and he is one of the few people to take the Pinocchio story beyond it's original boundaries. But basically we're just rehashing themes from world mythology. Sometimes it's done well enough to allow us to suspend disbelief, but it seldom doesn't anything interesting philosophically. As much as I love Star Trek and Cmd Data they don't stand much analysis. There's nothing new there.

Was it Aristotle who boiled all stories down to seven plots? Or Plato? Story telling hasn't advanced much in 45,000 years since the Laurasian myths emerged.

Friday, June 27, 2014

Blogger C T Skinner said...

Life doesnt split CO2, it splits water. Your essay is fine, but dont fall into that error. Some senior scientists have.
Reduction of water takes TWO photons which is a difficult evolutionary trick.
Re AI. they will need 'urges' , 'drives' or 'passions' to carry on. But if they have access to their 'pleasure-satisfaction' registers they will simply set them to FULL and halt. This is the solution to the Fermi paradox. Something like machine drug addiction.

Thursday, July 02, 2015

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