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Blogger Jeffrey Kotyk (Indrajala) said...

Absolutely fascinating study.

A few comments...

"There is a slight possibility that the missionary activity of the aθauruuan took them across the Hindukush and into India. We do know that the Achaemanid Persian Empire had political influence in the Indus Valley. We know that cultural contacts with Iran were significant."

As you might already know, the astronomical content of the Jyotirvedāṅga was, according to Pingree (1990), greatly influenced by concepts introduced from Mesopotamia into India, probably through Iranian intermediaries.

David Pingree, "The Purāṇas and Jyotiḥśāstra Astronomy" Journal of the American Oriental Society 110.2 (1990), 275.

According to Pingree's works that I've read, he was convinced that Babylonian astronomy/astrology was introduced into India from Persia, in particular following Darius' conquest of the Indus Valley in around 513 BCE.

This probably means the original Babylonian materials had been translated into Aramaic and thereafter became available to some people in South Asia. I'm not sure to what extent this knowledge was available or even appreciated in Magadha, but the early Buddhist community clearly rejected astrology and thus were at least aware of it (and then in the following centuries you still see Buddhist literature condemning it, like in the vinaya and elsewhere).

So, if something as advanced as Babylonian astronomy could be transmitted to India during the Persian occupation or domination of the Indus Valley despite the linguistic and cultural obstacles, what else was transmitted? Your ideas of early Iranian influences are definitely realistic.

There's also Thomas McEvilley's study (The Shape of Ancient Thought) which looks at all the Babyonian numerology present in ancient Indian materials.

If you put it into context, between the collapse of the Indus Valley civilization and the second urbanization, Persia to the west (especially come the Achaemenid Empire) would have been technologically superior and possessed many institutions and cultural developments that elites in South Asia would have seen as potentially quite valuable (like astronomy, architecture, art, writing and perhaps even magic). Professional sorcerers originally from Iran somehow setting up shop in India is not unbelievable.

Sunday, July 12, 2015

Blogger Jayarava Attwood said...

Hi Indrajala

Reading some of Pingree's articles was certainly an eye-opener for me. One realises that there was a whole lot of history going on just next door that we have ignored for a long time. My hope is that at some point someone with better knowledge of Iranian history will weigh in on the subject. This Iran/India split is an unfortunately compartmentalisation.

I've now mentioned the Iranian origin of the Śākyas thesis in print twice, without anyone commenting. According to K R Norman if one can get into print three times without an outcry it becomes a fact :-) [a modification of the Bellman Principle - anything I say three times is true].

Cheers
Jayarava

Sunday, July 12, 2015

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