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Blogger Kiran Paranjape said...

An excellent article on Buddhism & its implications in relation to modern times.

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Sunday, December 23, 2007

Blogger Gerald Ford said...

Wow, excellent research into the subject and this confirms my suspicion that later sutras were indeed influenced by the greater Hindu culture. Not borrowed, as stated earlier, but you can definitely see the influence.

In my brief look at sutras like the Brahma Net Sutra among others, you can see ayurvedic medical proscriptions (garlic and onions) for example that don't appear in other, more orthodox, texts like the Pali Canon.

Hindu culture seems to seep into Buddhist sutras as time went on, no?

It makes me wonder which of the sutras, if any, contains the authentic words of the Buddha anymore.

Well, anyways, great job. :)

Thursday, December 27, 2007

Blogger Jayarava said...

Hi Gerald,

Well all I'm doing is summarising Studholme really. I think we have to take it as axiomatic that all Indian traditions are influenced by all other Indian traditions where they came into contact.

The early influences are from Vedic culture, but as Hindu culture develops then yes it is assimilated to some extent. Likewise Hindus took Buddhist ideas and assimilated them. This is such a different model from the West that it is hard to see how fundamental it was in India, and how it is a sign of life in an Indian religion, not a sign of decay - it is vital to avoid the protestant view of religion as being located in a fixed revelatory text. This is more difficult than it sounds for us Westerners since we have swum in that kind of thinking since our birth.

Thursday, December 27, 2007

Blogger Gerald Ford said...

Well-spoken. There is a kind of fundamentalist reflex we all seem to feel when we first have doubt over such a text. If it isn't the words of the Buddha, it's no good, right?

But even the Buddha, in a certain sutta of the Pali Canon, said that his teachings were like a raft, used only to cross the river, but then discarded. I suppose anyone who's enlightened has already figured this out, but some of us are more stubborn than others. ;)

In any case, the Indian tradition overall has to be one of the most sophisticated and beautiful religious traditions in the world. It never gets tiring. :)

Thursday, December 27, 2007

Anonymous Chris Fynn said...

The conflation of Avalokiteshvara with Siva is common.

There is a beautiful white marble Lokeshvara image in a remote temple in the Lahul & Spiti district of Himachel Pradesh (in a valley between Chamba and Lahoul)-Indian sadhus who go there call the image
"Triloknath" and the Buddhsts call it Karsha Phagpa or "Arya of Lahoul". This image is clearly
Buddhist - it is a standard four armed Avalokiteshvara with small Amitabha Buddha image in his crown.

Perhaps due to condensation, tear like water droplets form in the corners of the eyes of this image so it is known to "cry".

The famous Kadri or Kadrinath temple in Mangalore, Karnataka also has a an Avalokiteshvara image crowned by Amitabha Buddha which is worshiped as Kadrinath or Manjunath - considered to be form of Siva. According to one account
this temple was established by the siddha Matsendaranath /Machindranath who fled there from Kerala with princess Mangal Devi whom he had taken as his consort. (Mangalore is supposedly named after her.) This is the same Matsendaranath who established the famous Red Machhindranath temple
in Patan and the White Machhindranath temple in Kathmandu which contain images of red and white Avalokiteshvara.

see: Vestiges of Buddhism in Karnataka

Matsendaranath is of course found both as one of the Buddhist "84 Mahahasiddhas" and in the lineage of the Hindu Nath sect as the guru of Goraknath founder of the sect.

More controversially, there is an online book: Tirupati Balaji was a Buddhist Shrine which claims that the famous Tirupati Temple (the richest Hindu temple in India) was once a Buddhist shrine and that the main image in the temple is in fact an image of Avalokitesvara. This book even suggests that this temple is the original Potala which was supposed to be located in South India.

- Chris

Friday, July 18, 2008

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