Thank you for the recent articles on the Kalama Sutta, I found them interesting and useful. The connection between between sila and the brahma viharas is particulary noteworthy. There are other suttas which seem to indicate that sila is what's forms the basis for the development and expression of the brahma viharas.
Thanks. I found it fascinating to study the text in detail and think about what it was saying. I would like to follow up the sīla - brahmavihāra link at some point, but I'm quite busy right now. Did you have particular texts in mind?
What an interesting point of view you have, Jayarava. I am not sure how you are defining "an apologetic" (Dictionary.com has: "containing an apology or excuse for a fault, failure, insult, injury, etc.; defending by speech or writing") -- as a defense of some inadequacy that you are perceiving? or what? If so, what inadequacy do you feel Buddhists are apologizing for?
The Kālāma Sutta is an apologetic in the sense that it is a defence of Buddhist ideas in the light of other ideas from other teachers who are portrayed in a negative light - as opinionated and aggressive. This is how the text and it's relatives set the scene. Looked at in context, the views being attributed to other people are extreme to the point of caricature. One doesn't do this if one is confident of one's own ground.
I don't know about you, but I see a general defensiveness throughout the Canon, often expressed as hostility towards other religious teachers - the very thing being criticised at the beginning of this text. Compare it, as I suggested, with the Tevijja Sutta where the teachings of Brahmins are empty words etc. The portrayal of Brahmins by Buddhists is almost spiteful. The Jains come off not much better as simply confused. And really this is unnecessary if what we have is so valuable there is no need to attack other teachers. We also find texts which say this very thing.
So I'm not suggesting that there is a particular inadequacy, but that the author of this text quite obviously feels defensive in the face of a competitive religious environment. What the text does is to clumsily try to show how Buddhism is superior. This is more clear when you read the other texts I mention as being the context of the (so-called) Kālāma Sutta. It's what I think of as the Great Buddhist Inferiority Complex - something which persists to this day and manifests in many ways e.g. the obsession with lineage, or the appeal to textual authorities.
It is perhaps inevitable in a minority religion. Buddhism has always had to deal with a lot of competition, not to say hostility. Buddhists are often apparently doubtful about how their path works, always asking and coming up with new answers to the questions: "What is awakening?" and "How can anyone achieve it?".
I would say that polemic and apologetic are two sides of the same coin - i.e. that the motivation underlying the two is often similar.
It seems to me that taking the way competing schools are presented in the canon as indicative of an inferiority complex is applying modern thinking to techniques that may not have had the same reasoning behind them 2,500 years ago. The Jains do the same sorts of "spin" on Buddhist principles (-"Buddhists are okay with eating babies"-). It seems to me to have been the style of the times, and attributing modern reasons for doing it may lead us to the wrong conclusions.
I don't see the Kalama story or its ilk apologizing for anything. It is simply saying that if we follow a moral system that results in moral behavior -- that which will be agreed upon in general as moral (as evidenced by the approbation of our society and the good results we get in this life) -- then we're good now and should be good later if there's a cosmic moral system; and if we don't then we lose on both points. I don't even hear him saying that the Buddhist system is on the win-win side though that is of course implied.
Of course I am interpreting it in terms of modern categories - that much is obvious. In this case I make no bones about it - this post is a polemic based on the two earlier posts where I dissect the text in some detail, but which themselves are a condensation of my very detailed analysis which I've linked to. I am trying to present an alternative to the Romanticist views usually presented. Views which I think have misrepresented the import of the sutta. "It may lead us to wrong conclusions" as you say, but apart from the aside I am making about the genre of literature that this sutta is, how do you think I might have come to a wrong conclusion about what the text itself says?
You don't seem to have understood the difference between the apologetic as a genre of literature, and the apology as a speech form. I'm not suggesting that anyone is apologising for anything - in fact I see the Kālāma Sutta as doing precisely the opposite, but also suggesting that the motivation behind that is to do with being a minority religion with lots of competition.
I don't follow what you are saying about the morality presented in the Kālāma Sutta. Is it in fact any different from what I've said about the morality of the text in some 1000s of words of writing about it recently? I.e. are you reading all of what I've written, or only that one sentence, or even that one word that seems to bother and confuse you? Because your comments do seem fixated on that one word.
Is it that you disagree, for instance, when I say "The morality it portrays is attractive however, because it it is located in relationship with other people."?
Or do you disagree that "... the connection between morality and the brahmavihāras is explicit. Contra later traditions, here one cultivates loving kindness, compassion etc., primarily through practising the precepts, that is primarily through cultivating non-harming (and its corollaries) towards other people"?
Or is it that when I say "Knowing that they are protected by their own virtue the ideal Buddhist experiences joy, rapture, serenity, bliss and concentration" that somehow this is off the point?
And so on. What is it that you are complaining about?
I spent the morning writing an answer to your question, Jayarava, but it was too long. I cut it in half, even counted the characters to make sure it was under limit, but blogger still finds it too long. Any suggestions?
If it's that long I'm unlikely to read it anyway. The question was rhetorical. I'm not interested in a simple clash of interpretations or egos.
I understand the interpretation I have articulated in this post to be one possible interpretation, and not the only one I have considered, and not the only one I could have articulated. It arises from many of hours of study, reflection and discussion with peers, and serves my purpose well enough.
You've had a couple of goes at me over this and I don't see it going anywhere interesting.
Tomorrow is a new blog. I'll be moving on, I suggest you do to.
Thursday, April 28, 2011
[Image]THE KĀLĀMA SUTTA is probably over-rated. It is an interesting sutta, but far too much has been claimed for it, and so it has become something of an albatross around the neck of Buddhists. It's wrongly quoted in support of a raft of ideas, many rooted in 19th Century Romanticism, that appeal to modern Buddhists but that don't have much to do with traditional Buddhism.
Still it was a good exercise to translate it, and see for myself what it actually says. I concluded that far from being a "charter for free enquiry" as Soma Thera has suggested, it is a more of an apologetic for Buddhist morality. The text basically says this: "if you are an intelligent person, then you will be a good Buddhist". It is aimed at people who are already Buddhist, so it is really saying, "congratulations on choosing Buddhism as your religion, the choice of all right-thinking people". The morality it portrays is attractive however, because it it is located in relationship with other people. We Buddhists can often talk about 'skilful' and 'unskilful' actions in the abstract, but in the Kālāma Sutta it's clear that these terms convey qualities of how we relate people.
In any case the Kālāma Sutta is puzzling in some respects. Although teachers who "proclaim one thing and dispute everything else" are cited, we never quite find out what they teach, nor why they disagree. And although the sutta portrays the ideal Buddhist as dwelling in the brahmavihāras, we are not told how this relates to the morality preceding it. Nor is it clear how the four consolations at the end of the sutta relate to the rest of it.
So it was with interest that I stumbled on the Pāṭaliya Sutta (SN 42.13; PTS S iv.340). Although the setting is different, this is basically the same story as the Kālāma Sutta. [1] Here the Buddha is in Koliya, rather than Kosala, and the town is called Uttara instead of Kesaputta. The teaching is delivered to a single person, rather than to a group. However the outline of part iii of this sutta is the same as the Kālāma Sutta, and many of the same standard phrases occur in the same places. In the Pāṭaliya various teachers come and teach different things, though this time the teachings are spelled out as various extreme views on the connection between actions and consequences. One can see why their views conflict because they take diametrically opposed stances. However the result is the same: doubt and perplexity. The solution here, though, is to achieve concentration of dhamma and concentration of mind.
One begins by practising the ten right actions. [2] One who abandons the unskilful states of mind dwells in the brahmavihāra states - mettā, karuṇā, muditā, upekkhā. So here the connection between morality and the brahmavihāras is explicit. Contra later traditions, here one cultivates loving kindness, compassion etc., primarily through practising the precepts, that is primarily through cultivating non-harming (and its corollaries) towards other people. Rather than a seated meditation practice, here the brahmavihāras seem to emerge from personal interactions. From this sublime state of constantly relating to all beings on the basis of kindness and compassion, elsewhere compared to liberation itself, one is able to reflect properly on the content of the various teachings on actions and consequences.
But here's the thing: the text does not untangle the views of these other teachers. It just says that whatever the truth is, the Buddhist is better off (like the Kālāma Sutta this text is a Buddhist apologetic). Whatever the various doctrines are, the virtuous person, dwelling in brahmavihāras, knows that they themselves never oppress anyone and therefore in each case they are "lucky both ways": in this life, and in any future life they are protected by their harmless lifestyle. There is no attempt to engage with the metaphysics of the various doctrines and ideologies. This lack of interest in metaphysics seems to underlie the argument that it doesn't matter what you believe - "Buddhism without beliefs" as it is sometimes called. And maybe it doesn't so long as you relate to all beings with loving kindness and compassion and sympathy. In reality the view that it doesn't matter what you believe is a philosophical fudge. The text is very much in the camp of saying that actions do have consequences, and that we can think of those consequences at the very least as desirable and undesirable, but probably in terms of good and evil as well. And this is a very definite metaphysical position on actions having consequences. Only an naive reading of the Kālāna Sutta concludes that it doesn't matter what you believe, but here in the Pāṭaliya Sutta it is much more clear.
Knowing that they are protected by their own virtue the ideal Buddhist experiences joy, rapture, serenity, bliss and concentration (pamojja, pīti, passadhi, sukha, samādhi) . These are the central steps on the Spiral Path (or upanisās as I call them) and the steps that unite all the textual variations of the Spiral Path. I also see them relating to the jhānas. With joy as a base, I think each item from rapture to samādhi represents the primary quality of a series of increasingly refined states of consciousness roughly equivalent to the first four jhānas.
It is from integration (samādhi) that one is able to dispel perplexity. From a state of equanimous absorption one is able to see things as they are. Though this text leaves the reader at samādhi, dozens of other texts make it clear that it is on the basis of samādhi that knowledge and vision of things as they are (yathābhūta-ñāṇadassana) arises.
The Pāṭaliya Sutta has some advantages over the Kālāma Sutta. Firstly the details of the story are more complete. The kinds of teachings which perplex are spelled out, and it is clear why anyone espousing those views would vehemently disagree with other views. The argument is over whether actions have consequences. Some argue that there are no consequences. One graphic image used for this is going along the banks of the Ganges killing or mutilating every living being. One teacher argues that no evil will result, another that it most certainly will result in evil. Note here that we are not arguing over whether the act itself is evil - we are concerned with consequences. This is a feature of Indian moral philosophy as portrayed in Buddhist texts (whether this is a genuine portrait of Indian moral philosophy is a moot point).
The method of the Buddha is also spelled out, and more clearly linked to the threefold path of morality, meditation & wisdom. Because it incorporates the Spiral Path this is a more coherent telling of the story. The Spiral Path has the special function of showing how liberation is possible. Without it, it is more difficult to see how the unawakened can create the conditions for awakening through living an ethical life, through paying attention in particular ways, and through contemplations leading to seeing through (vipassana). [3]
This sutta also allows us to see how the four consolations of the ideal Buddhist (ariya-savaka) relate to the views being expressed by the various teachers, and to "being lucky both ways". They aren't stand alone ideas, but link back to the morality under discussion.
This story is told in full no less than three times in the Canon, each time in a different place to a different audience (see note 1). So we should careful about associating it too strongly with the Kālāmas. It's a story, remembered in several different forms. In addition there are cross-over points with some other stories. I think these examples of multiple recensions of stories, with substantial differences, represent different oral lineages. Though I don't have the patience or the skill to do so, I predict that through a detailed examination of the language used in these parallel versions of stories it would be possible to identify lineages of story telling. I gather, for instance, that there are stylistic and even linguistic differences between the various nikāyas - though these might be due to the collators imposing a 'house style' on their collection.
All this goes to show that while making an accurate translation is invaluable, sometimes reading a sutta in context is as important if we are going to understand it fully. And filling out the context can mean painstaking work identifying parallels and related texts. Sometimes the differences between recensions of a story can tell us more than the similarities.
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Notes
The Kālāma Sutta (AN 3.65) is repeated more or less verbatim in the next sutta AN 3.66 (A i.190) where it is spoken by the Elder Nandaka to Sāḷha and Rohaṇa; AN 4.193 (A ii.190) contains all of the parts dealing with morality and crossovers with SN 42.13 (S iv.340) which itself spells out the doctrines being disputed (and shows that the consolations are related to them) and that the brahmavihāras are related to the practice of morality; MN 56 (M i.375) shares the SN 42.13 framing story of magical powers for converting other religieux. We should also read the sutta in the light of MN 136 which shows that predicting karmic outcomes is difficult, and MN 60 about alternatives to believing in karma and rebirth.
i.e. abstention from killing, taking the not given, sexual misconduct, lying, harsh, divisive and idle speech, covetousness, aversion and wrong views - aka the Ten Precepts which are followed by members of the Triratna Order, and by Shingon Buddhists. Sangharakshita has written that: " abstention from killing living beings, or love... is the most direct and most important manifestation of the spiritual and existential act of Going for Refuge. Moreover, it is a principle that finds expression, in one way or another, and to a greater or lesser degree, not only in the First Precept itself, but in all the other Precepts as well." (The Ten Pillars, p.53)
More than once I have been tempted to suggest that we stop using 'insight' as a translation as the word has other uses in general conversation. Vipassana is from vi- with several senses, but here probably meaning 'through'; and passana 'seen' (a past participle from √paś 'to see'. So in-sight 'to see into' is not accurate in any case! Through-sight would be more accurate. We could replace it with the Greek derived term diaphany, on the model of epiphany. The -phany part comes from the verb phainein "to show"; while dia- means 'across or though' and is very likely cognate with Sanskrit vi- which also ultimately derives from the PIE word for 'two'. So diaphany means 'showing through, or seeing through'. It would be related to diaphanous 'transparent'. The advantage being that we could use insight for it's intended purpose of talking about self knowledge.
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Close this window Jump to comment formThank you for the recent articles on the Kalama Sutta, I found them interesting and useful. The connection between between sila and the brahma viharas is particulary noteworthy. There are other suttas which seem to indicate that sila is what's forms the basis for the development and expression of the brahma viharas.
Monday, April 25, 2011
Hi Alex
Thanks. I found it fascinating to study the text in detail and think about what it was saying. I would like to follow up the sīla - brahmavihāra link at some point, but I'm quite busy right now. Did you have particular texts in mind?
Tuesday, April 26, 2011
What an interesting point of view you have, Jayarava. I am not sure how you are defining "an apologetic" (Dictionary.com has: "containing an apology or excuse for a fault, failure, insult, injury, etc.; defending by speech or writing") -- as a defense of some inadequacy that you are perceiving? or what? If so, what inadequacy do you feel Buddhists are apologizing for?
Tuesday, April 26, 2011
Hi Star,
The Kālāma Sutta is an apologetic in the sense that it is a defence of Buddhist ideas in the light of other ideas from other teachers who are portrayed in a negative light - as opinionated and aggressive. This is how the text and it's relatives set the scene. Looked at in context, the views being attributed to other people are extreme to the point of caricature. One doesn't do this if one is confident of one's own ground.
I don't know about you, but I see a general defensiveness throughout the Canon, often expressed as hostility towards other religious teachers - the very thing being criticised at the beginning of this text. Compare it, as I suggested, with the Tevijja Sutta where the teachings of Brahmins are empty words etc. The portrayal of Brahmins by Buddhists is almost spiteful. The Jains come off not much better as simply confused. And really this is unnecessary if what we have is so valuable there is no need to attack other teachers. We also find texts which say this very thing.
So I'm not suggesting that there is a particular inadequacy, but that the author of this text quite obviously feels defensive in the face of a competitive religious environment. What the text does is to clumsily try to show how Buddhism is superior. This is more clear when you read the other texts I mention as being the context of the (so-called) Kālāma Sutta. It's what I think of as the Great Buddhist Inferiority Complex - something which persists to this day and manifests in many ways e.g. the obsession with lineage, or the appeal to textual authorities.
It is perhaps inevitable in a minority religion. Buddhism has always had to deal with a lot of competition, not to say hostility. Buddhists are often apparently doubtful about how their path works, always asking and coming up with new answers to the questions: "What is awakening?" and "How can anyone achieve it?".
I would say that polemic and apologetic are two sides of the same coin - i.e. that the motivation underlying the two is often similar.
Wednesday, April 27, 2011
It seems to me that taking the way competing schools are presented in the canon as indicative of an inferiority complex is applying modern thinking to techniques that may not have had the same reasoning behind them 2,500 years ago. The Jains do the same sorts of "spin" on Buddhist principles (-"Buddhists are okay with eating babies"-). It seems to me to have been the style of the times, and attributing modern reasons for doing it may lead us to the wrong conclusions.
I don't see the Kalama story or its ilk apologizing for anything. It is simply saying that if we follow a moral system that results in moral behavior -- that which will be agreed upon in general as moral (as evidenced by the approbation of our society and the good results we get in this life) -- then we're good now and should be good later if there's a cosmic moral system; and if we don't then we lose on both points. I don't even hear him saying that the Buddhist system is on the win-win side though that is of course implied.
Wednesday, April 27, 2011
Star
Of course I am interpreting it in terms of modern categories - that much is obvious. In this case I make no bones about it - this post is a polemic based on the two earlier posts where I dissect the text in some detail, but which themselves are a condensation of my very detailed analysis which I've linked to. I am trying to present an alternative to the Romanticist views usually presented. Views which I think have misrepresented the import of the sutta. "It may lead us to wrong conclusions" as you say, but apart from the aside I am making about the genre of literature that this sutta is, how do you think I might have come to a wrong conclusion about what the text itself says?
You don't seem to have understood the difference between the apologetic as a genre of literature, and the apology as a speech form. I'm not suggesting that anyone is apologising for anything - in fact I see the Kālāma Sutta as doing precisely the opposite, but also suggesting that the motivation behind that is to do with being a minority religion with lots of competition.
I don't follow what you are saying about the morality presented in the Kālāma Sutta. Is it in fact any different from what I've said about the morality of the text in some 1000s of words of writing about it recently? I.e. are you reading all of what I've written, or only that one sentence, or even that one word that seems to bother and confuse you? Because your comments do seem fixated on that one word.
Is it that you disagree, for instance, when I say "The morality it portrays is attractive however, because it it is located in relationship with other people."?
Or do you disagree that "... the connection between morality and the brahmavihāras is explicit. Contra later traditions, here one cultivates loving kindness, compassion etc., primarily through practising the precepts, that is primarily through cultivating non-harming (and its corollaries) towards other people"?
Or is it that when I say "Knowing that they are protected by their own virtue the ideal Buddhist experiences joy, rapture, serenity, bliss and concentration" that somehow this is off the point?
And so on. What is it that you are complaining about?
Thursday, April 28, 2011
I spent the morning writing an answer to your question, Jayarava, but it was too long. I cut it in half, even counted the characters to make sure it was under limit, but blogger still finds it too long. Any suggestions?
Thursday, April 28, 2011
Hi Star
If it's that long I'm unlikely to read it anyway. The question was rhetorical. I'm not interested in a simple clash of interpretations or egos.
I understand the interpretation I have articulated in this post to be one possible interpretation, and not the only one I have considered, and not the only one I could have articulated. It arises from many of hours of study, reflection and discussion with peers, and serves my purpose well enough.
You've had a couple of goes at me over this and I don't see it going anywhere interesting.
Tomorrow is a new blog. I'll be moving on, I suggest you do to.
Thursday, April 28, 2011