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Blogger Adam Cope said...

Hi Jayarava

Re-categories: This made me think of gestalt psychology & perception. Allow me to quote from wiki, as I'm sure you will perceive a possible relationship to yr post :

"The fundamental principle of gestalt perception is the law of prägnanz (in the German language, pithiness), which says that we tend to order our experience in a manner that is regular, orderly, symmetric, and simple. Gestalt psychologists attempt to discover refinements of the law of prägnanz, and this involves writing down laws that, hypothetically, allow us to predict the interpretation of sensation, what are often called "gestalt laws" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestalt_psychology

"The Principles of grouping (or Gestalt laws of grouping) are a set of principles in psychology, first proposed by Gestalt psychologists to account for the observation that humans naturally perceive objects as organized patterns and objects. Gestalt psychologists argued that these principles exist because the mind has an innate disposition to perceive patterns in the stimulus based on certain rules." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principles_of_grouping

Maybe it's simply natural that we try & order & thus understand our experience, no? i.e percept without concept is uninformed & un-intelligible. And the inverse, that concept without verification & adaption via percept is probably merely a mental construct, which has no true correlation to the external world, 'things as they are'.

PS. There's also some interesting gestalt experiments that seek to ascertain how we put things into categories, specifically designed to find where's the tipping point where perception A puts classification into either box B or box C. As I see it, it boils down to the difference between a graduation or a line. Just my artist's two cents.

Tuesday, May 13, 2014

Blogger Jayarava Attwood said...

Hi Adam

I gather the literature on categorisation is large and varied. There are many different arguments over what categories represent, how and why we make them, etc. dating back many centuries. I confess I have only ever read George Lakoff on this subject, but I know a useful idea when I see one. The book Women, Fire and Dangerous Things is my reference point to this subject.

As to correlations to the outside world I think common-sense tells us that if we are working with mental representations (a la Damasio or Metzinger) then they are constructed to help us maintain homoeostasis. Since we are alive, they work pretty well and therefore they must be highly consistent with reality. Else we would have died out long ago!

Think about this typed dialogue - if there were no consistency with an external reality communication would only work randomly - but in fact it works surprisingly well. There you are half-way across the planet reading these words that I'm typing in response to words you typed in response to words I typed in response to words I'd read in an article... and so on. If it's all in the mind, then whose mind - Mine? Yours? Collett Cox's?

The first time we put a dangerous thing in the wrong category we probably don't live to pass it on to our children. But bystanders watching us get munched would certainly remember it, eh? The most basic categories are things like: eat/don't eat; run/ don't run; fuck/ don't fuck. Neurons help us maintain homoeostasis by making good decisions of this type.

Tuesday, May 13, 2014

Blogger Dhivan Thomas Jones said...

Thanks Jayarava for another excellent essay. I have to remind myself that the Ābhidharmikas really believed in their metaphysics, despite how implausible they seem to us now. So it's very valuable to read a reconstruction of how they thought. Your discussion of categorisation got me thinking about Plato's Forms, which were the supposed archetypes of things here in the material world. I am not saying that the Ābhidharmikas were Platonists, of course, but that there seems to be an inherent attraction to reification in human thinking. Personally I think Nāgārjuna took Buddhist metaphysics back to the spirit of the Buddha, who was much more nominalist, to use that expression. Happy studying!

Tuesday, May 13, 2014

Blogger Jayarava Attwood said...

Thanks Dhīvan. I've found it fascinating to get some insight into the problems they were dealing with. When one knows the question, the answers make a bit more sense.

Yes I suppose we all have categories that seem natural to us. George Lakoff has a lot to say about this, about which kinds of categories seem natural and why (in Women, Fire and Dangerous Things).

And yes, I agree that Nāgārjuna appears to be trying to steer Buddhism back towards the spirit of Buddhism that we see in some of the early texts, but with limited success - especially in the long run. His interpreters were less interested in that project.

Wednesday, May 14, 2014

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