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OpenID nihonshukyo said...

This is what I love about Asian history: it keeps unfolding as our understanding gets better. I remember studying things in college about early Japanese history that are now discredited, and better, clearer pictures are now in the books. I love seeing the evolution of our understanding.

P.S. You're still liking to my old blog. ;)

Monday, February 02, 2009

Blogger Upliftthem said...

Excellent Review as usual, the more I look at your writings, the more insights you bring in to this dilapidated brahminical India. You may be surprised, there are not that many in India writes about Buddhism and Indian history with respect to Buddhism and hinduism as scholarly as you write.

Keep the good work rolling, you are simply an example of what an enlightment can bring to this world.

Saint

Saturday, February 14, 2009

Blogger Jayarava said...

Hi Uplifthem

Glad you enjoyed it. I am however far from enlightened, and most of the time I am simply trying to popularise the work of scholars who I admire. Also the more I look into the Vedas and Upanishads the more I respect the people who composed them. I am very much against caste and oppression, but I am wary of adopting (or should I say maintaining) a blanket prejudice against any group.

Best Wishes
Jayarava

Sunday, February 15, 2009

Blogger Upliftthem said...

I do not know how much you know or read about hinduism and Buddhism,

but from your writings, my perception is your knowledge in Buddhism is very good than so many so called intellectuals and writers of today.

I am not here to crown you or degrade you. But, I will tell you exactly what transcends into my mind about reading what you write, simple.

If you have ever read "Veda" or "Upanishads" or "Gita" completely and understood?,

And, if you have ever also read the Buddha's teachings and understood, it will become very transparent to you or any one who knows the truth about both these scriptures as to why Buddha took incredibly painful, self-torturous and agonizing methods

-------to find out why India was so much full of myths and filths??.

-----as to why so much violence, agitations and Killings goes on in India

(Note: Buddha noticed and witnessed so much of violence then, we are talking about 2500 years ago.

But, can you imagine how much violence, rape, killings goes on in India today mostly caused by Veda and Upanishad learned hindus?.

The victims are poor Dalits,
let me recall a few incident, today a 4 year little baby was raped and murdered in Delhi city.

Yesterday, the Veda loving and Upanishad trained hindus made dalits to drink urine and eat cow dung (in Bihar, UP and some other states),

Day before yesterday they raped dalit woman, burned houses and massacred dalits, this is a continuous vicious cycle that happens every day and most of the time, the perpetrators are idol worshiping, hindus who will take the Veda's and Upanishad's into their grave, such is there revereance and respect to those scriptures, but in real life they teach, learn, preach and practice all the unthinkable, how about cutting penice of an innocent dalit, how about hacking publicly infront of police officers because the dalits were butchering cows to eat?. How about spashing acid on a woman's face (dalit woman), how about making dalits kneel down and beg for mercy for no reasons other than they walked on the public roads and streets with sandal or shoe's in their feet?, it seems dalits should not wear shoes?, it is a crime to the Veda lovers?. All these above examples can be found in Veda, which teaches, it is the Veda that says there are different class of people that all men are not born equal, it is the veda that says if a lower caste? person utters the Veda scripture, cut his tongue and pour burning oil into his ears?. Well, if you have read it, you should know how many such filth is there inside the veda scriptures?.

Most of what is happening today were also happened during Buddha's period [though there were some good times in between during Buddha's period as well as during King Asoka's period, after he took oath to stop killings in the name of war and after he became a Buddha's follower, India as a whole became one of the greatest nations in the world in terms of peace, progress and as a humane society?].

Sometimes the victims of Veda and Upanishad trained hindus are muslims and even christians are also the significant victims of hindu believers,

woman are yet another greatest sufferers to the Veda loving and Upanishad learned people of India.

Buddha has to torture himself to discover ways and means to alleviate these kind of sufferings that was prevalent in those days too.

Ways and means to reach one's own mind when there was no documented and researched knowledge about mind. But, Buddha discovered through rationale understandings, reasons and scientific way of analyzing one's actions and repercussions that are produced in the society and people's mind by the so called hindu religious believers (Note: not to say that other religious people were any great, in India, you can research and dig how much ever history you would like to understand violence, in the entire history of India, it is the Veda read and Upanishad practicing hindus are the most virulent. Ofcourse during war times, the muslims who invade India caused huge damages and atrocity on Indians as a whole and Buddhists in specific suffered from their hands too? (ofcourse, terrorist muslims cause so much chaos but it is mostly to the general India, caste angle was rarely an issue with muslim terrorists but they are as good as hindu believers in religious fanaticism, but I am not very sure as to how much violence is caused by Christians, they fair well in terms of being humane in India. I can tell you for sure, there was none at all caused by Buddhists, infact they were the victims to the most part, the outcastes themselves to the most part were the descendent's of original Buddhists, could be the reason why hindus go crazy to hurt them?.)

Like an individual who accumulates bad karma (karma in Buddhist sense, not hindu mythical sense) the whole society of India has accumulated so much of the bad and virulent karma because of the above mentioned perpetration of peace, freedom and prosperity because Veda and Upanishad did not help those who studied them, I can't imagine how great were those who scripted?. Isn't that they scripted theDivisionistic, inhuman and ill conceived manthras, thanthras and scripts which would form a life long scar on India.

An individual can work towards eliminating defilements by following the Buddha's teachings.

However, a society as a whole in the name of "God", "religion" and fake scriptures that talk so great of one's group but dehumanizes certain section of the society to an extent that a group of people has been treated even below animals is what kind of respect we can shower on those Veda's and Upanishads?. Is this Prejudice or Blank Prejudice or being Blind to such nasty scriptures because it sounds good to read and hear?.

Such is the cruelty caused by Veda that is beyond any good human's imagination but well scripted(Rig Veda), Gita and the so called Upanishads in which Buddha himself did not find any values or meanings and he turned his back on those inhumane scriptures.

Anyways, I will ask you to read Rig Veda and more about what is written with a critical eye and mind, may be one day we can discuss further.

Thanks,
Saint

Tuesday, February 17, 2009

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Monday, July 23, 2012

Blogger Mat Witts said...

Does it not strike you as just a little absurd that historians/ethnographers/anthropologists or whatever are prepared to put forward such wide ranging ideas about Indian culture on the basis of styles of pottery? To be frank, I wouldn't expect to find much ceramic or clay in the 'dna' of Indian Philosophy anymore than I would expect to find many flat screen televisions in the dna of logical positivisism. Humph.

Saturday, May 17, 2014

Blogger Jayarava Attwood said...

Not really. Anyway we have a bit more that styles of pottery. We have texts from the same period.

General humphing is boring and pointless. What is it precisely that you find implausible?

Saturday, May 17, 2014

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