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Anonymous star said...

Bless you!

Saturday, February 26, 2011

Anonymous gruff said...

One aspect of the Buddha's teaching approach that really only became clear to me after reading a lot of the Canon is the way that he gives people only what they need to know, when they need to know it. When the Kalamas ask him about truth, he doesn't say "Form is non-self!" He gives them instructions that will help them and form a basis for future development. Polite and helpful. May we all learn from his example.

Sunday, February 27, 2011

Blogger Jayarava said...

Hi Gruff

As it happens I've just been studying the Kālāma Sutta. My draft translation and commentary are on my static site: www.jayarava.org - Kālāma Sutta

Funnily enough that Kālāmas do not ask the Buddha what the truth is. They specifically ask him who is telling the truth and who is not: "ko... samanabrāhmaṇaṃ saccaṃ āha, ko musāti." That is they ask him who's vāda they should follow.

This is a subtle but important point. They are asking him who to follow, and he instructs them not to follow anyone, but to rely on their experience of interpersonal relationships to guide their interactions. In fact they end up becoming followers of the Buddha.

But yes, he mostly seems to aim his talk at what is required.

In other places - say the Tevijjā Sutta (DN 13) - the Buddha is not polite but quite rude (though successful in converting Vāseṭṭha and Baradvaja); and in the Piyajātika Sutta (MN 87) he is not particularly helpful to a man who has lost his son. Funny old Canon. Isn't it?

Sunday, February 27, 2011

Blogger elisa freschi said...

I did not consider (mea culpa) Enlightenment as conditioned by Les Lumieres. I thought it had been determined by the metaphore of light, so well-established in the West, against that of the Awakening. Thanks for pointing that out!

Wednesday, March 02, 2011

Blogger Jayarava said...

Hi Elisa. Well I can't prove it, but it seems very plausible and I sometimes fail to make sufficient distinction between the two! ;-)

The Online Etymology Dictionary says

"Attested from 1865 as a translation of Ger. Aufklärung, a name for the spirit and system of Continental philosophers in the 18c."

But in use from the 1660s. Enlightened = "free from superstition or prejudice" (1663 in the OED)

According to OED the term was rather uncomplimentary ca. 1865: "shallow and pretentious intellectualism, unreasonable contempt for authority and tradition, etc." Which does actually sound like many Buddhists I know!

I may have to look into this!

Wednesday, March 02, 2011

Blogger Jayarava said...

Google Ngram viewer results for Enlightenment vs Buddha.

Enlightenment seems to have been a slow starter, and there is no way to distinguish the context, but Buddha has a much more lively and varied history.

Wednesday, March 02, 2011

Blogger JonJ said...

I think it's really time to drop the habitual use of "enlightenment" in English-language discussions of the Dharma (excuse me, "Dhamma" for the non-Mahayanistically inclined), and replace it with terms like "awakening," which are much more accurate. For example, "satori" means awakening, as in "wake up and smell the coffee!" There is something misleading about the whole "light" vs. "darkness" language, which sounds very Christian to me. It leads so many people into contemptuously dismissing those who don't agree with them as "spiritually blind" because they don't see something that they think is "clear as day." (Of course, one can also be a bit too proud of one's own state of "wakefulness" in contrast to the "fast asleep" condition of others.)

Speaking of Christianity, I've been reflecting lately on the whole "New Atheist" or "Gnu Atheist" movement and how it compares with Buddhism. Those folks are mainly arguing against hard-rock Christians, of course, but now and then they do detour a bit to denounce the "superstitions" of Buddhism, too. But as you point out, the Buddha was pretty relaxed about at least some superstitions, and in particular I think he would be somewhat reluctant to join with the Gnus in racing around demanding at the top of their voices that everyone give up all their superstitions immediately, and convert to pure rationality.

What I think we can do is express (at least politely) the wish that people keep their superstitions to themselves. For example, teach biology in the biology classroom, not theology.

Saturday, March 05, 2011

Blogger Jayarava said...

Hi Jon

I'm wary of prescriptivism. You say that the whole language of light and dark sounds Christian, but it is clearly Buddhist. The Buddha talks about light and dark kamma leading to light and dark results, for instance. He also speaks of his awakening in terms of light arising in him. Furthermore the dhamma is like a lamp, and the discourses are often described as like lighting a lamp in the dark.

My point is not to prescribe how we talk - that would be a rule, a matter of etiquette - but to make people aware that the way we talk is conditioned by many factors. I think it's useful to know that English language Buddhism is influences by the European Enlightenment for instance. We need to be aware of what happened in our own history! But how we use that knowledge is still up for discussion. I don't tend to use 'Enlightenment' as a translation of bodhi any more, but I understand that it has important positive resonances for many people.

Yes. I think militant atheism is quite unattractive and seems to have a shallow view of humanity.

Fortunately I don't live in America and no one is trying to teach theology in the biology class here, as far as I know. But many of my friends and colleagues are superstitious or at least believe in the supernatural, or at the very least Romantic in the Rousseaunian sense. It was partly reflecting on this that made me realise that beliefs are relatively unimportant compared to relationships.

Saturday, March 05, 2011

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