Sorry for a totally off-topic question, I hope you will feel free to ignore etc.
You talk about drawing attention to breathing and then just focusing on the sensations created therein. When I try to do that, I find that breathing ceases to be in "auto mode", and that I have to actively, consciously inhale and exhale to keep the breathing going. Once I stop the process, I have to disassociate from attending to breathing for a while for my body to get back to the "auto mode" and start breathing normally, and this doesn't seem good either. Is this normal - is being able to just watch the breathing without actually putting in effort a state that is to be gained by practice? Thanks a lot in advance.
'Breathing' instead of 'the breath'. A seemingly unimportant distinction which actually makes a lot of difference! Thanks! I'm planning to start a meditation group and will try to remember to couch it this way.
I particularly enjoyed the point about how our actions & their consequences do need to be considered (sila & karma).
I was just wondering where meditation instructions manuals like the Anapanasati Sutra & the Satipathana Sutra fitted into this?
Is it that the first half of the exercises are samatha-orientated to generate smrti then evolve to Vipassana-oriented exercises by holding the object of mind is prescibed by the text?
For example "Breathing in, I observe the impermanent nature of all dharmas. Breathing out, I observe the impermanent nature of all dharmas." - exercise 13 , anapanasati.
The text tells us to be aware of our breathe and also to observe the topic of thought. Smrti=> samadhi=> prajna.
I don't know much about zen meditation but listening to my teacher Thay (Zen Master Thich Nhat Hahn) talk about this... I think he means to use any activity as an occassion to generate smrti by being aware of the breathe and also by keeping the mind present & attentive to the task in hand (samadhi). Use pauses regularly to stop (samatha) & return to the breathe.
Western psychologists call this "immersion in a 'flow' activity" or Mindful 'uni-tasking' rather scatter-brained 'multi-tasking'.
Yes. I know the problem. Bringing the breath to mind causes one to take the autopilot off and start driving. I don't really want to get into informal meditation instruction, I don't feel qualified. I would suggest you direct your question to my colleague Bodhipaksha who runs the Wildmind meditation website.
In general I see morality (i.e. loving relationships) as preparing the ground for meditation. Morality is the condition for avippaṭisāra 'a clear conscience' (which I would love to translate as 'remorselessness' but that would give the wrong impression). It means without-remorse, i.e. with nothing to trouble the conscience. This is an essential condition for the jhāna factors to arise (according to the upanisā sequences)
Used generally sati is part of morality in texts like AN 8.81. Used in the specific sense (where it the prefix anu- is often added giving: anussati) it means ways of meditating.
Buddhist terminology is often multi-valent, i.e. a single word can have a number of different meanings. Compare the word 'organic' for instance that can mean very different things depending on context 'organic chemistry', 'organic gardening', and 'organic material' all require organic to mean something different. Look at glycophosphate weed killer in each context for instance. One needs to be cautious about trying to condense it down to a single meaning because this obscures the real differences.
The dhammas that arise while breathing come from breathing - they aren't two different things. One observes the experience of breathing and the experience itself is a process of sequentially being aware of dhammas. It's not that one breaths and one pays attention to the dhammas, but one realises that the dhammas are the experience. Your whole world, in fact, is simply a parade of dhammas arising and passing away in dependence on conditions.
I think 'flow' (the term coined by wonderfully named Mike Csikszentmihalyi) is relevant. I often experience flow doing Tai Chi. But I would distinguish it from jhāna. Flow tends to be emotionally neutral, emotions are in the background. In jhāna joy, rapture, and bliss are strongly present (and even cultivated) at the beginning.
Thanks for the explanations about buddhist terminology & grammar... " a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. " I find the term 'dharma' or 'dhamma' to be the most confusing. What about a post on this term, if you do requests that is?
Re-flow being emotionally neutral. Just as well - we do not want to get caught up in high emotional states in our daily activities!! I find that a bit of detachment & flow is better for mindfulness in daily life.
Re-meditating & trying to do the exercises in a text ... lol... In my experience, I find that there is always the danger of not following the breath and of creating dualistic 'multi-tasking', jumping from breath to text via memory, forgetting where one was & getting all in a mess.... Not to mention trying too hard & forgetting the joys of aimlessness...making sitting meditation into a goal-orientated activity. i suspect a lot of westerners, myself included, first came to meditation expecting to follow some set of instructions & got all worried about 'not doing it right.' .... Maybe I should only express an opinion about this in ten years time ;-)
Particularly like what you say about "the experience itself is a process of sequentially being aware of ... simply a parade of dhammas arising and passing away in dependence on conditions." Nice to breath & watch it all pass by. Navel gazing suggests an over-investment in self.
Here is Thich Nhat Hahn on Stopping :
"Often we tell ourselves, "Don't just sit there, do something!" But when we practice awareness, we discover something unusual. We discover that the opposite may be more helpful: "Don't just do something, sit there!" We must learn to stop from time to time in order to see clearly. At first, "stopping" may look like a kind of resistance to modern life, but it is not. It is not just a reaction; it is a way of life. Humankind's survival depends on our ability to stop rushing. "Stopping" is not only to stop the negative, but to allow positive healing to take place. That is the purpose of our practice--not to avoid life, but to experience and demonstrate that happiness in life is possible now and also in the future."
I agree it's confusing. Context is important. Sometimes translators just get it wrong, so if you don't read Pāli you might miss something. I'm now always alert for problems with translating this one small, but very important word!
I'm not the best at stopping. But I believe I've heard it well spoken of ;-)
[Image]IT IS SOMETIMES ASSUMED THAT BUDDHISM is an introspective path, best suited to dreamy, inward looking, introverts. After all we spend a lot of time on omphaloskepsis, or navel gazing, don't we? And the ideal Buddhist is often portrayed as a solitary, reclusive meditator. Buddhism can easily be seen in terms of personal psychology or self development. I would like to challenge this notion by looking at Buddhist meditation.
Buddhism broadly speaking offers two kinds of meditation: samatha and vipassanā (Sanskrit śamatha, vipaśyanā). Samatha comes from the root √śam 'to be calm, quiet, to rest'. In samatha meditation we are trying most of all to calm down, and to steady our mind. This in no way involves rumination or dwelling on one's inner world. The archetypal practice is one which involves 'watching' the sensations of breathing, allowing the sensations to fill one's awareness (hence to be mind-full). Note that I do not say "the breath". It is helpful to get away from "the breath" as an entity (what is that in any case?) and to orientate oneself towards the experience of breathing as a dynamic procession of sensations presenting themselves to our conscious awareness. The sensations of breathing offer a good meditation subject because they give feedback on one's state of calm, they change at a pace which does not excite, and they are primarily proprioceptive - i.e. felt as changes in muscle tension in the body - which helps to draw attention away from the primary modes of interacting with the world - sight and hearing. When we allow our minds to be full of these sensations, follow them closely but in a relaxed way, we begin to experience changes in our awareness.
On a good day we find that we are no longer pulled towards other experiences, or towards our own mental chatter. We find that we naturally settle into a relaxed, but focussed state. By attending to experience wisely we can deepen this state until other sensations cease to resister in our mind, and there is only the increasingly subtle experience of breathing. This state can go very deep, and is often described as beautiful, expansive, open, and blissful. One can experience physical rapture, but also other internally generated experiences with a sensory character such as visual imagery. Although we have withdrawn our attention from the world, we find a world within which is at once gloriously alive and yet very refined and subtle. The technical term for this kind of experience is jhāna (Sanskrit dhyāna).
Sometimes Buddhists will frown on talking about meditation experience - straight-forwardly saying that one has experienced jhāna for instance can be seen as "boasting" or "making a claim". This is unfortunate because experiencing a concentrated mind is relatively ordinary, and certainly within reach of anyone who seriously practices meditation in a supportive context. I'm no great meditator and I have had these kinds of experiences. The Buddha's prohibition for the monks is against falsely claiming to be an arahant, and as far as I know there is no traditional prohibition on discussing the experience of various jhānas, nor on claiming to be an arahant if one actually is an arahant. At times a useful discussion is stifled by literalism or over-reacting. I should also say that some Buddhist traditions are distrustful of jhāna. Because it is pleasurable it can become a distraction. I know several people who can easily get into these states, and some of them do say that it can become an end in itself. However my own teachers have always emphasised that jhāna is a means to an end, not the end in itself. Concentrated meditation leaves one feeling calm, happy, and peaceful. Regular meditation encourages psychological integration. The fact of getting concentrated is not in itself very significant or spiritual advanced, but concentration and absorption are useful in preparing the mind for meditation in the second sense.
The essential counterpart to concentrated meditation is vipassanā often translated as 'insight'. The term derives from √paś 'to see' and with the prefix vi- means 'seeing through' - i.e. not insight but through-sight. Using 'insight' as a translation has the unfortunate connotation that we are seeing inside ourselves, suggesting introspection. But what we are doing is seeing through our self not seeing into it. Again this kind of meditation doesn't really involve introspection.
In this style of meditation one reflects on some aspect of experience - the tradition provides a number of templates for this. We might for instance reflect on impermanence, or on suffering. We might reflect on the way things arises in dependence on causes. Other styles of vipassanā practice include visualisations of a Buddha, koan practice, or simply sitting and watching the play of experience. Reflecting this way we aim to see the way experience unfolds, to understand why we feel and think the way we do, not by by dwelling on the content of our own thoughts, but by trying to get underneath this and see how the thoughts that we have depend not so much on the sensations we have, but on the stories we tell ourselves about them. The medium is the message.
This is not like rumination. We don't get hooked on the content of our thoughts, in fact we aim for the precise opposite - to get unhooked from the content of our thoughts. This is why jhāna practice is so useful. With a mind prepared by jhāna meditation we are in a very advantageous position to observe the workings of our mind without being caught up in the content of our thoughts and feelings. Being calm and content we can just be with what we find in our minds. We can also sustain our focus on the subject far more easily.
I don't know much about Zen meditation, or other 'just sitting' or formless practice styles, but as I understand it the formless practices combine samatha and vipassanā aspects. I won't say more, but I do think that formless practice can just about fit into the paradigm I've outlined. And of course meditation is not the only practice. There are also intellectual, ethical, and devotional aspects to Buddhism which are important.
Where a Buddhist can usefully do a little introspection is in the area of ethics. By this I do not mean thinking about morality in the abstract. We cannot really see how Buddhist ethics works by considering hypothetical cases. Buddhist ethics simply asks us to reflect on our own behaviour, and especially our relationships with other people. How do we observe that our behaviour affects those around us? How do we observe it affecting our own minds? We will particularly notice the effects on ourselves in the form of the hindrances to meditation. So if we want to spend time thinking about ethics we can reflect a little on what hindrances to concentration we are currently meeting. Unethical behaviour sets up conflicts and tensions, or scatters our energies which we experience as restlessness, torpor, craving, or aversion. There is often something we can do or cease doing that will be helpful in moving us towards a less conflicted, more alive state of mind. We need not be at the mercy of hindrances.
I hope it's clear that introspection has a role in Buddhism, but that it's role is not predominant, and that in meditation we are not being introspective per se. Of course one will need some self-knowledge, to understand one's own temperament in order to sustain an effective practice. We need to understand our own habitual tendencies in order to effectively counteract them or reinforce them as appropriate. But this knowledge comes as a by-product of attempts to engage with Buddhist practices, and as we interact with other people. The fact that being generous and regulating our behaviour towards others are firmly at the base of Buddhist practice, shows that a lot of self-centred navel gazing is out of place.
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Close this window Jump to comment formSorry for a totally off-topic question, I hope you will feel free to ignore etc.
You talk about drawing attention to breathing and then just focusing on the sensations created therein. When I try to do that, I find that breathing ceases to be in "auto mode", and that I have to actively, consciously inhale and exhale to keep the breathing going. Once I stop the process, I have to disassociate from attending to breathing for a while for my body to get back to the "auto mode" and start breathing normally, and this doesn't seem good either. Is this normal - is being able to just watch the breathing without actually putting in effort a state that is to be gained by practice? Thanks a lot in advance.
Sunday, March 06, 2011
'Breathing' instead of 'the breath'. A seemingly unimportant distinction which actually makes a lot of difference! Thanks! I'm planning to start a meditation group and will try to remember to couch it this way.
Monday, March 07, 2011
Thanks, very clear. Enjoyed reading :-)
I particularly enjoyed the point about how our actions & their consequences do need to be considered (sila & karma).
I was just wondering where meditation instructions manuals like the Anapanasati Sutra & the Satipathana Sutra fitted into this?
Is it that the first half of the exercises are samatha-orientated to generate smrti then evolve to Vipassana-oriented exercises by holding the object of mind is prescibed by the text?
For example "Breathing in, I observe the impermanent nature of all dharmas. Breathing out, I observe the impermanent nature of all dharmas." - exercise 13 , anapanasati.
The text tells us to be aware of our breathe and also to observe the topic of thought. Smrti=> samadhi=> prajna.
I don't know much about zen meditation but listening to my teacher Thay (Zen Master Thich Nhat Hahn) talk about this... I think he means to use any activity as an occassion to generate smrti by being aware of the breathe and also by keeping the mind present & attentive to the task in hand (samadhi). Use pauses regularly to stop (samatha) & return to the breathe.
Western psychologists call this "immersion in a 'flow' activity" or Mindful 'uni-tasking' rather scatter-brained 'multi-tasking'.
Monday, March 07, 2011
@Froginthewell
Yes. I know the problem. Bringing the breath to mind causes one to take the autopilot off and start driving. I don't really want to get into informal meditation instruction, I don't feel qualified. I would suggest you direct your question to my colleague Bodhipaksha who runs the Wildmind meditation website.
Best Wishes
Jayarava
Monday, March 07, 2011
@Adam
In general I see morality (i.e. loving relationships) as preparing the ground for meditation. Morality is the condition for avippaṭisāra 'a clear conscience' (which I would love to translate as 'remorselessness' but that would give the wrong impression). It means without-remorse, i.e. with nothing to trouble the conscience. This is an essential condition for the jhāna factors to arise (according to the upanisā sequences)
Used generally sati is part of morality in texts like AN 8.81. Used in the specific sense (where it the prefix anu- is often added giving: anussati) it means ways of meditating.
Buddhist terminology is often multi-valent, i.e. a single word can have a number of different meanings. Compare the word 'organic' for instance that can mean very different things depending on context 'organic chemistry', 'organic gardening', and 'organic material' all require organic to mean something different. Look at glycophosphate weed killer in each context for instance. One needs to be cautious about trying to condense it down to a single meaning because this obscures the real differences.
The dhammas that arise while breathing come from breathing - they aren't two different things. One observes the experience of breathing and the experience itself is a process of sequentially being aware of dhammas. It's not that one breaths and one pays attention to the dhammas, but one realises that the dhammas are the experience. Your whole world, in fact, is simply a parade of dhammas arising and passing away in dependence on conditions.
I think 'flow' (the term coined by wonderfully named Mike Csikszentmihalyi) is relevant. I often experience flow doing Tai Chi. But I would distinguish it from jhāna. Flow tends to be emotionally neutral, emotions are in the background. In jhāna joy, rapture, and bliss are strongly present (and even cultivated) at the beginning.
Monday, March 07, 2011
Thanks for the explanations about buddhist terminology & grammar... " a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. " I find the term 'dharma' or 'dhamma' to be the most confusing. What about a post on this term, if you do requests that is?
Re-flow being emotionally neutral. Just as well - we do not want to get caught up in high emotional states in our daily activities!! I find that a bit of detachment & flow is better for mindfulness in daily life.
Re-meditating & trying to do the exercises in a text ... lol... In my experience, I find that there is always the danger of not following the breath and of creating dualistic 'multi-tasking', jumping from breath to text via memory, forgetting where one was & getting all in a mess.... Not to mention trying too hard & forgetting the joys of aimlessness...making sitting meditation into a goal-orientated activity. i suspect a lot of westerners, myself included, first came to meditation expecting to follow some set of instructions & got all worried about 'not doing it right.' .... Maybe I should only express an opinion about this in ten years time ;-)
Particularly like what you say about "the experience itself is a process of sequentially being aware of ... simply a parade of dhammas arising and passing away in dependence on conditions." Nice to breath & watch it all pass by. Navel gazing suggests an over-investment in self.
Here is Thich Nhat Hahn on Stopping :
"Often we tell ourselves, "Don't just sit there, do something!" But when we practice awareness, we discover something unusual. We discover that the opposite may be more helpful: "Don't just do something, sit there!" We must learn to stop from time to time in order to see clearly. At first, "stopping" may look like a kind of resistance to modern life, but it is not. It is not just a reaction; it is a way of life. Humankind's survival depends on our ability to stop rushing. "Stopping" is not only to stop the negative, but to allow positive healing to take place. That is the purpose of our practice--not to avoid life, but to experience and demonstrate that happiness in life is possible now and also in the future."
Monday, March 07, 2011
Hi Adam
I wrote a trio of posts on the word Dharma in 2009:
Dharma - Early History
Dharma - Buddhist Terminology
Dharma as Mental Event
I agree it's confusing. Context is important. Sometimes translators just get it wrong, so if you don't read Pāli you might miss something. I'm now always alert for problems with translating this one small, but very important word!
I'm not the best at stopping. But I believe I've heard it well spoken of ;-)
JR
Monday, March 07, 2011
Thanks Jay, wonderfully concise review of how meditation is conceptualized in the Buddhist tradition.
Tuesday, March 08, 2011
Thanks Earl. It's a personal view.
Tuesday, March 08, 2011