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Anonymous froginthewell said...

Sorry for a totally off-topic question, I hope you will feel free to ignore etc.

You talk about drawing attention to breathing and then just focusing on the sensations created therein. When I try to do that, I find that breathing ceases to be in "auto mode", and that I have to actively, consciously inhale and exhale to keep the breathing going. Once I stop the process, I have to disassociate from attending to breathing for a while for my body to get back to the "auto mode" and start breathing normally, and this doesn't seem good either. Is this normal - is being able to just watch the breathing without actually putting in effort a state that is to be gained by practice? Thanks a lot in advance.

Sunday, March 06, 2011

Blogger Ed said...

'Breathing' instead of 'the breath'. A seemingly unimportant distinction which actually makes a lot of difference! Thanks! I'm planning to start a meditation group and will try to remember to couch it this way.

Monday, March 07, 2011

Blogger Adam Cope said...

Thanks, very clear. Enjoyed reading :-)

I particularly enjoyed the point about how our actions & their consequences do need to be considered (sila & karma).

I was just wondering where meditation instructions manuals like the Anapanasati Sutra & the Satipathana Sutra fitted into this?

Is it that the first half of the exercises are samatha-orientated to generate smrti then evolve to Vipassana-oriented exercises by holding the object of mind is prescibed by the text?

For example "Breathing in, I observe the impermanent nature of all dharmas. Breathing out, I observe the impermanent nature of all dharmas." - exercise 13 , anapanasati.

The text tells us to be aware of our breathe and also to observe the topic of thought. Smrti=> samadhi=> prajna.

I don't know much about zen meditation but listening to my teacher Thay (Zen Master Thich Nhat Hahn) talk about this... I think he means to use any activity as an occassion to generate smrti by being aware of the breathe and also by keeping the mind present & attentive to the task in hand (samadhi). Use pauses regularly to stop (samatha) & return to the breathe.

Western psychologists call this "immersion in a 'flow' activity" or Mindful 'uni-tasking' rather scatter-brained 'multi-tasking'.

Monday, March 07, 2011

Blogger Jayarava said...

@Froginthewell

Yes. I know the problem. Bringing the breath to mind causes one to take the autopilot off and start driving. I don't really want to get into informal meditation instruction, I don't feel qualified. I would suggest you direct your question to my colleague Bodhipaksha who runs the Wildmind meditation website.

Best Wishes
Jayarava

Monday, March 07, 2011

Blogger Jayarava said...

@Adam

In general I see morality (i.e. loving relationships) as preparing the ground for meditation. Morality is the condition for avippaṭisāra 'a clear conscience' (which I would love to translate as 'remorselessness' but that would give the wrong impression). It means without-remorse, i.e. with nothing to trouble the conscience. This is an essential condition for the jhāna factors to arise (according to the upanisā sequences)

Used generally sati is part of morality in texts like AN 8.81. Used in the specific sense (where it the prefix anu- is often added giving: anussati) it means ways of meditating.

Buddhist terminology is often multi-valent, i.e. a single word can have a number of different meanings. Compare the word 'organic' for instance that can mean very different things depending on context 'organic chemistry', 'organic gardening', and 'organic material' all require organic to mean something different. Look at glycophosphate weed killer in each context for instance. One needs to be cautious about trying to condense it down to a single meaning because this obscures the real differences.

The dhammas that arise while breathing come from breathing - they aren't two different things. One observes the experience of breathing and the experience itself is a process of sequentially being aware of dhammas. It's not that one breaths and one pays attention to the dhammas, but one realises that the dhammas are the experience. Your whole world, in fact, is simply a parade of dhammas arising and passing away in dependence on conditions.

I think 'flow' (the term coined by wonderfully named Mike Csikszentmihalyi) is relevant. I often experience flow doing Tai Chi. But I would distinguish it from jhāna. Flow tends to be emotionally neutral, emotions are in the background. In jhāna joy, rapture, and bliss are strongly present (and even cultivated) at the beginning.

Monday, March 07, 2011

Blogger Adam Cope said...

Thanks for the explanations about buddhist terminology & grammar... " a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. " I find the term 'dharma' or 'dhamma' to be the most confusing. What about a post on this term, if you do requests that is?

Re-flow being emotionally neutral. Just as well - we do not want to get caught up in high emotional states in our daily activities!! I find that a bit of detachment & flow is better for mindfulness in daily life.

Re-meditating & trying to do the exercises in a text ... lol... In my experience, I find that there is always the danger of not following the breath and of creating dualistic 'multi-tasking', jumping from breath to text via memory, forgetting where one was & getting all in a mess.... Not to mention trying too hard & forgetting the joys of aimlessness...making sitting meditation into a goal-orientated activity. i suspect a lot of westerners, myself included, first came to meditation expecting to follow some set of instructions & got all worried about 'not doing it right.' .... Maybe I should only express an opinion about this in ten years time ;-)

Particularly like what you say about "the experience itself is a process of sequentially being aware of ... simply a parade of dhammas arising and passing away in dependence on conditions." Nice to breath & watch it all pass by. Navel gazing suggests an over-investment in self.

Here is Thich Nhat Hahn on Stopping :

"Often we tell ourselves, "Don't just sit there, do something!" But when we practice awareness, we discover something unusual. We discover that the opposite may be more helpful: "Don't just do something, sit there!" We must learn to stop from time to time in order to see clearly. At first, "stopping" may look like a kind of resistance to modern life, but it is not. It is not just a reaction; it is a way of life. Humankind's survival depends on our ability to stop rushing. "Stopping" is not only to stop the negative, but to allow positive healing to take place. That is the purpose of our practice--not to avoid life, but to experience and demonstrate that happiness in life is possible now and also in the future."

Monday, March 07, 2011

Blogger Jayarava said...

Hi Adam

I wrote a trio of posts on the word Dharma in 2009:

Dharma - Early History
Dharma - Buddhist Terminology
Dharma as Mental Event

I agree it's confusing. Context is important. Sometimes translators just get it wrong, so if you don't read Pāli you might miss something. I'm now always alert for problems with translating this one small, but very important word!

I'm not the best at stopping. But I believe I've heard it well spoken of ;-)

JR

Monday, March 07, 2011

Blogger Earl said...

Thanks Jay, wonderfully concise review of how meditation is conceptualized in the Buddhist tradition.

Tuesday, March 08, 2011

Blogger Jayarava said...

Thanks Earl. It's a personal view.

Tuesday, March 08, 2011

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